Talk:Nymph (biology)

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Someone should really write up a page on naiads as well so that most of these orders are not referred to as nymphs.
 * This is very true. Only Paurometabolous insects have Nymphs (Examples being Hemiptera and Orthoptera), while Hemimetabolous insects have Niads (Ephemeroptera, Plecoptera, Odonata), and all members are entirely aquatic during niad stage. In addition, Paurometabolous individuals tend to look more like adults (compare grasshopper nymphs to adults) while Hemimetabolous insects tend to look less like the adult forms (compare Dragonfly niads to adults). Also, Nymphs tend to have less instars than niads. The two are very different, and I would be willing to split this article and write about both types in more detail, including example photos and/or drawings. ---BMW, Minor Copy-Edit 04:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Splitting to Nymph/Niad
I have placed the split unrelated tag on this article to bring to light the very separate natures of Nymphs and Niads. In about a week I am going to begin splitting this article if there are no disputes. As for the present moment, I am correcting the line that refers to Nymphs as Hemimetabolous, changing that to Paurometabolous. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. ---BMW, Minor Copy-Edit 04:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I am going to hold off until I can question my professor directly on this. As of this year, Aquatic Entomology at my university is still being taught with separation between Paurometabolism and and Hemimetabolism (which I have recently seen called heterometabolism). This may be an actual dispute, or just misunderstanding. ---BMW, Minor Copy-Edit 05:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed split tag. There seems to be a general consensus in the literature that Hetero/paurometaboly have been merged into Hemimetaboly, and the former two are now only subcategories of the later. Furthermore, naiads are sometimes referred to as nymphs in scientific literature. Naiad should then remain as a section of this article. ---BMW, Minor Copy-Edit 16:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

This usage represents a confusion. Naiad is a term introduced in (?) the 1920s in an attempt to clarify the terminology. It created more confusion. 'Hemimetabolism' represents a range of different processes. This entry requires a complete rewrite. Richard Rowe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.110.237 (talk) 02:44, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

In arachnids
What arachnids have nymphs? Can one therefore say that these arachnids are hemimetabolous? The article about hemimetaboly doesn't mention arachnids, just insects. Iron C hris |  (talk) 18:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

interwikis
Houston, we have a problem :o)

Looking at the interwiki links between the various language versions it MUST be an incorrect mess.

This originates from language differences such as the different meanings of the French "Nymphe" and the English "Nymph" which are NOT the same and hence should NOT link to each other.

As far as I can make out: The Spanish "Ninfa", German "Nymphe" and Dutch "Nimf" are all in the same line as the English "Nymph" The Catalan seems to follow the French rather than the Spanish - is this correct ????

I will remove all the interwikis to other languages and will advice those language wikis to re-evaluate their meaning of the lemma and set an interwiki to EITHER the English OR the French lemma accordingly and to add their interwiki to that particular language version (English or French) ONLY so that a new list of valid interwikis can be assembled.

Cheers, Arp (14 October 2012)

P.S. A third conotation for these terms would apply to the Italian and maybe Catalan usage of the word. Here the word is used for the last stage before the imago in HEMImetabolous insects ONLY. Below I will indicate this as the "Italian version"

Cheers, Arp (14 October 2012)

Documenting interwikis
As the problem mentioned above may very well rise again as soon as someone decides to interwiki between French and English (and all the bots would gladly follow this up) I'll compile a list of the old interwikis and try to document where these should link to:

Three versions of usage are identified (up to now):
 * " English " ALL juvenile stages between egg and imago in HEMImetabolous insects
 * " Italian " Intermediate stage (last stage only) between "larva" and imago in HEMImetabolous insects. Equivalent of last "nymph" stage ONLY in "English" version.
 * " French " : Intermediate stage (1) between larva and imago in some HOLOmetabolous insects

Group 1

 * bar:Nymphm (Zoologie) ====> English
 * cs:Nymfa (biologie) ====> English (ref: cs:Diskuse:Nymfa_%28biologie%29)
 * da:Nymfe (zoologi) ====> English
 * de:Nymphe (Zoologie) ====> English
 * es:Ninfa (biología) ====> English
 * eo:Nimfo ====> English (ref: eo:Diskuto:Nimfo)
 * eu:Ninfa (biologia) ====> English
 * he:נימפה (חרקים) ====> English (ref: )
 * is:Gyðla ====> English
 * lt:Nimfa (biologija) ====> English (ref: lt:Aptarimas:Nimfa_%28biologija%29)
 * nl:Nimf (biologie) ====> English
 * no:Nymfe (zoologi) ====> English
 * simple:Nymph (biology) ====> English
 * sk:Nymfa (zoológia) ====> English
 * sv:Nymf (entomologi) ====> English
 * ta:அணங்கு (உயிரியல்) ====> English (ref: ta:%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%87%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%81:%E0%AE%85%E0%AE%A3%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81_%28%E0%AE%89%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%8D%29)
 * zh:若蟲 ====> English (ref: )

Group 2

 * it:Ninfa (zoologia) Interwiki reset reverted 2x  ====> Italian => NEW: Italian HAS A PROBLEM Their articles Ninfa and Larva contradict each other
 * pl:Nimfa (larwa) Old interwikis remain visible in "accepted" version, last revision checked. ====> (?) Italian ? (not sure)

Group 3

 * fr:Nymphe (biologie) ====> French

Ungrouped

 * ar:حورية (حشرات) --- PROBLEM - It seems I cannot save a version without the old interwikis - interwikis still incorrect here done WTM (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * be:Німфа, біялогія Interwiki reset reverted 1x
 * be-x-old:Німфа (біялёгія)
 * ca:Nimfa (biologia) ====> Italian French ????? (This is somewhat strange - the article seems indecisive, see ca:Discussi%C3%B3:Nimfa_%28biologia%29)
 * kk:Нимфа (биология)
 * ht:Nenf
 * nn:Nymfestadiet
 * pt:Ninfa (biologia) Interwiki reset reverted 3x, not a word on talk page
 * ro:Nimfă (biologie) Interwiki reset reverted 1x
 * ru:Нимфа (биология)
 * fi:Nymfi (biologia)
 * uk:Німфа (біологія)
 * vi:Thiếu trùng

Cheers, Arp (2012-10-13, 14, ... etc - various edits needed)
 * Dear SineBot please add your superfluous braindead "correction" here: ==>
 * The Interwiki synchronization project on meta takes care of cases like this one.--Snaevar (talk) 12:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Snaever, I don't see it there ;o) And I don't particualrily feel like spending a lot of time in reading up on howtos, procedures, dos and donts etc etc. Also, I'm not at all sure that people from all wikis will be able to find that topic and then next find a possible section on this subject in it. So I'll continue this here analysis and will direct the other wikis here as a first step. Please feel free to add the topic to the Interwiki synchronization page if you feel so inclined. Cheers, Arp (2012-10-14)

I'll be checking back here in a week or so, to give the remaining wikis time to sort their stuff. After that I'll try to translate some to make an educated decission myself. Cheers, Arp (2012-10-15)

Update 2013-09-14
Dear Wikipedia, The interwikis for this lemma are once again a totally incorrect mess with many interwikis linking to False_friends (phonetically similar words with very different conotations) in other languages. I will not attempt to correct this anymore, as I have stopped editting Wikipedia for now. Too many time consuming senseless discussions, too many complex rules and procedures that no one in his/her right mind would want to bother to read/learn (often badly phrased and insufficiently thought through, resulting in further endless/useless discussions if one would disagree and be wanting to change something). So, this here is just a note to alert those with too much time and insensitive nervous systems to the error at hand. Cheers, Arp (2013-09-14). Dear SineBot, please add your superfluous braindead "correction" here: ==> — Preceding unsigned comment added by P4b (talk • contribs) 12:35, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

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