Talk:Nyogen Senzaki

Nyogen
I'm pretty sure the translation of 如幻 as "non-dweller" is incorrect. The meaning of the character 如 is difficult to isolate but is something like "like", while 幻 means "illusion, hallucination". There is no negative morpheme here nor anything with a meaning like "dwell". It is the sort of name that a Buddhist monk would take as opposed to a normal Japanese surname. Is there a source for "non-dweller"?Bill 02:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * "Non-dweller" is, as you say, almost certainly wrong. 如 has a special meaning in Buddhism, which is often rendered suchness or thusness in English. 幻, per, does mean illusion, perhaps in the sense of maya. Personally, I'm too scared to attempt to fit that together into a translation for 如幻. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 06:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * On page 5 in book Namu Dai Bosa, published in 1976 by the Zen Studies Society there is an explanation of the meaning of Nyogen. This can mean: like a dream or like a phantasm. Soen Roshi is referring to the fact that Nyogen means "like a phantasm" in Japanese and that the name came from concluding verse of Diamond Sutra. Spt51 (talk) 20:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Japanese article
He definitely needs an article in Japanese at ja:千崎如幻 WhisperToMe (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)