Talk:O'Hare International Airport/Archive 1

Origin of name?
The article makes no mention of how the airport got it's name? --Fbax (talk) 00:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

New Runway coming October 2013 / infobox shot update needed
O'Hare will have another new runway open for business October 2013. Does anybody know its designation?Raryel (talk) 15:08, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 10C/28C, to open on October 17, 2013. I added it to the text, with source.  We need to shop for a better aerial/satellite photo for the infobox.  The 2011 USGS shot is just not up to date.  We need something from this year, 2013, that shows the completed 10C/28C that will enter service and the pavement on the ground for 10R/28L which also exists, but is not scheduled to enter service until October 2015. --Mareklug talk 20:12, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Ord, Nebraska?
This:

''Ord, Nebraska is the Valley County seat town in central Nebraska. It has a population of about 2,400. The economy is almost entirely agri-related. It is named for Civil War era General Ord, for whom Fort Ord in California is also named. General Ord was the commander at a fort in Central Nebraska about the time the town of Ord was being formed.''

Defnitely shouldn't be at the top of this page. It only makes a vague sense if someone gets here by linking from ORD as a redirect; to the vast majority of people who get here from other links, it will make no sense at all. Perhaps an Ord (disambiguation) page is in order? --Jfruh 21:28, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

PIA
Why does PIA say Manchester here which Manchester is a stopover and in Houston they don't mention Manchester which is also a stopover.

Good airport
For a huge airport, it seems to be relatively painless to use, easy to get around, and plenty of space and facilities. I'm rather critical of most airports, as my local airport, Shannon Airport, is one of the most relaxed international airports I've encountered. Is O'Hare generally well regarded? I note the article includes its being voted top airport by Business Traveler Magazine readers, but what about in a broader context?

Oh - and the worst airport I have ever been at in terms of chaos, overcrowding and rubbish facilities is Dublin Airport with its measly single small terminal building. Heathrow under normal conditions didn't seem that bad, certainly by comparison.

193.1.100.109 10:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, did you notice there are so many freaking signs in that place? You really can't get lost!--Press208 00:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Press208 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Copy editing
Sections such as "However in 2005, Hartsfield overtook O'Hare as the world's busiest airport in terms of takeoffs and landings. This was mainly due to the federal government imposing flight caps at O'Hare to reduce flight delays at one of the world's most delayed airport[1], O'Hare was the busiest airport.[2] In terms of total passengers served, Hartsfield has held the title of world's busiest airport for 8 years now, but Chicago also has commercial air traffic to Midway Airport. If Midway did not exist, O'Hare would be the busier airport over Hartsfield." need to be rewritten to improve grammar and style. If I have more time, I'll come back to do it. If someone else can first, please do. --CPAScott 13:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

How about also doing some spell checking. I mean, having words like "Costomer" as opposed to "Customer" just looks really bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.103.231 (talk)
 * please sign your posts. when you get the chance, please register. The undertow 06:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

UFO Incident
The Chicago Tribune has reported that the employees have spotted a HUGE UFO over this place. It is all over the Internet, especially Google, other search engines. Can this incident be mentioned ? Martial Law 22:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * My thinking is that the article is too long, and should be trimmed. What better place to start than the 100% juicy BS that is UFOlogy? Its being "all over the Internet, especially Google" does not matter, since the pages are propagating a single meme over and over again. Speciate 00:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * False, this piece was inserted several months ago and a stood the test of time, of course, until YOU deleted it!! --Inetpup 01:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It may well have stood the "test of time" (hardly a wiki criterion) because the page is long and messy. In any case, just because you can bully this UFO frass onto wikipedia doesn't change the fact that a "HUGE" UFO hovering over O'Hare in the afternoon and only being noticed by twelve UA cargo handlers is impossible. Speciate 06:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding the length of the article, you're wrong! A world class airport deserves a detailed article.  The problem ISN'T that the O'Hare article is too short!!  The problem IS that other airport articles, particularly the article of its rival, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, is too way short!!! --Inetpup 07:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It is possible that the Hartsfield article is too long as well, and it may be less messy. A world class airport also deserves not to have its page sullied with pathetic UFO-mongering. Address the issue: A huge shiny disc hovering over O'Hare in the daytime, but nobody else sees it. Is it a magic UFO? Or, maybe, just maybe, there was nothing solid there? And please, I hope you are a kid, because if you are an adult you use far too many exclamation points. Speciate 07:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * More Speciate Rubbish! I said the the Hartsfield article was too SHORT!! If I'm a kid, then you easily qualify as a curmudgeon.  Either way you are an 'L7'-type of person.--Inetpup 08:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I re-wrote the entry on this incident, and removed the John Hilkevitch comments from this section as they receive adequate coverage in Chicago O'Hare UFO sighting 2006 article. CJKreklow 04:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Separation of domestic/international flights
I've noticed that at a few US airports (specifically JFK, EWR, ORD and LAX) some airlines domestic and international destinations are seperated. This is not set up in the standard form as set forth in the ProjectWiki Airport guide. Plus, when it's being done, it's inconsistent even within the airport page - i.e. DL and UA destinations being seperated, but AA and NW remaining intact at LAX. Also, people don't/shouldn't break it down for the airlines' regional ops, because 1) it looks awful, and 2) it just doesn't make much sense. So, stop doing it. Thanks. Andrewb729 13:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I find it easier to find the information I need when it is seperated and therefore believe that we should revert to the way it was. Thanks for your consideration. Anonymous

Updated Data
I've added the final data for the 2006 statistics for airport operations (passengers only). The original tally was about a million and a half off, so I added the numbers. This came from the website http://www.aci-na.org/asp/traffic.asp?art=216. --Press208 00:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

A, D, J
Why are there no concourses A, D, or J?? -- Georgia guy (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've always thought the Concourse layouts for O'Hare were on the odd side as well as confusing. Personally, the only terminal I like that i've been in there is the United Terminal.  It's very similar to the Northwest McNamara in Detroit.  The AA Terminal is very confusing and I hate the gate areas.  They are in need of a facelift.--Golich17 (talk) 02:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The odd ordering of Concourse names has to do with the order in which buildings were constructed, demolished, and then reconstructed. My concern with Terminals and Concourses is that the destination table lists Concourses like 1E and 1F, which don't exist. 1B and 1C exist, and 2E and 2F exist. I'll go ahead and change such errors soon if no one objects.Bizzarechipmonk (talk) 01:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Concourses A, D, and J used to exist but were demolished during expansion. N419BH (talk) 23:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

How to transit from Nashvill to Chicago to Narita,Japan
Dear sir, I would like to know, I will travel from Nashvill to Chicago airport. I need to clame my bagags in Chicago for again check in or my bagage can check though Narita? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.153.11.143 (talk) 06:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Air Taxi
According to Airnav.com, 34% of all traffic at O'Hare is "air taxi," defined as all non-scheduled charter operations under CFAR Part 135. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HC-LLC (talk • contribs) 19:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Runway Designation/Numbering
Please note that a single runway has two headings, for example hypothetical runway 22/4 can be approached from 220 degrees or 4 degrees. It is still only one runway. I removed the "6+2" comment about O'Hare and rewrote it for that reason. Chicago O'Hare has three parallel runways, not six. Raryel (talk) 19:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Chicago will have 6 parallel runways when they finish construction. By the way, runway 4/22 can be approached from 220 or 040 degrees, not 220 or 4 degrees.  N419 BH  13:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Sustainable Initiatives section
The sustainable initiatives section appears to be copy/pasted. Adding sources and rewriting the section to proper tense is required. (N419BH (talk) 14:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC))


 * I have deleted the section. If someone wants to rewrite it with sources and without copypaste go ahead. --N419BH (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

Page moved. The reason to move the page that created this discussion was not something supported by any naming convention. Then we have the airport page. Then there is the strength of the arguments presented in the discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Chicago O& → — Was moved from O'Hare to Chicago O'Hare without consensus. Should be moved back  Pur ple  back pack 89    14:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In addition, arguments involving naming conventions and Google/Google Scholar hits


 * Oppose: While moving the article without a discussion was improper, the official name of the airport as used in airport and airline announcements is "Chicago O'Hare International Airport". N419  BH  16:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If it is the official name of the airport, why was it improper? Not all moves require discussion. --WikiDonn (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not wrong to move a page, but it's also not wrong to contest a move made without consensus  Pur ple  back pack 89    22:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We like to discuss major changes here before doing them. Moving the article for one of the busiest airports in the world is a major change. Next time open a discussion. That's all. N419  BH  01:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * IMO it wasn't improper at all, but that's not the issue. See vote below. Andrewa (talk) 19:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Despite what many seem to automatically assume, the official name isn't always the preferred article title under Wikipedia's article naming policy, and this seems to be a case in point. See vote below. Andrewa (talk) 19:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. The common name of the airport is O'Hare International Airport, and it's unambiguous, so it's clearly the preferred article title. But assume good faith. The move wasn't improper. It's possible (I hope likely) that it will be reversed after this discussion. But that's just how wikis work. Andrewa (talk) 19:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't think I was assuming bad faith. Typically we discuss things like moving articles before doing them. Hence describing the move as "Improper". However, in this case I'm assuming the user didn't know about the ability to hold a discussion such as this. Hence I have not warned them. If you however feel I am not adhering to WP:AGF, I do apologize. N419  BH  03:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Would someone like to provide some evidence that O'Hare International Airport is more common than Chicago O'Hare International Airport in English prose, because if you're so worried about doing things "properly", the move doesn't happen without evidence.  Skinsmoke (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2010 (UTC)\
 * In regular English, we usually just say "O'Hare", "Chicago", or "O'Hare Airport". I would assume very rarely do people use all four words in this title.   Pur ple  back pack 89    20:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to provide evidence of that. As it stands, your comment is anecdotal.  Provide the evidence, and I will happily support the move.  Fail to provide it, and I oppose the move.  You need to convince me.  Skinsmoke (talk) 13:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The move request is based on 1) A prior move that may need to be undone (the title of this article was O'Hare International Airport until just a few days ago); 2) naming conventions (which don't always translate to the most common name). That being said, here are Google hits and Google Scholar hits:
 * “O’Hare Airport”-1.24M
 * “O’Hare International Airport”-658,000
 * “Chicago O’Hare International Airport”-192,000
 * "O'Hare International Airport" minus "Chicago O'Hare International Airport"-466,000


 * “O’Hare Airport” 4,090
 * “O’Hare International Airport”-2,210
 * “Chicago O’Hare International Airport”-862
 * "O'Hare International Airport" minus "Chicago O'Hare International Airport"-1,348

As you can see, O'Hare International Airport is used more without a Chicago in front of it than with it. That, combined with the naming conventions argument, is a clear case for going back to just O'Hare International Airport  Pur ple  back pack 89    15:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Airports associated with major cities tend to include the name of the city in the article title, for instance Washington Dulles International Airport, Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport, Stockholm-Västerås Airport and London Heathrow Airport. Cjc13 (talk) 21:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're saying we already have a convention that the city name is included? Interesting... is this documented anywhere? Not all article names follow it, for example Kingsford Smith Airport and Talk:Tokyo International Airport. Andrewa (talk) 01:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Definetely false.  John F. Kennedy International Airport? LaGuardia Airport? George Bush Intercontinental Airport?   Pur ple  back pack 89    18:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not say all. The examples given above are American. For non-Americans it would be useful to have the city name in the article title. Cjc13 (talk) 10:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But then you're left with honkin' long titles. And our style guidelines say not to have honkin' long titles when shorter titles work.  If an airport name is unambiguous (as JFK, ORD, IAH, and LGA) all are, it's unnecessary to add the city name.  Whether or not people know where the airport is is not a consideration for the title   Pur ple  back pack 89    20:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why stop at the city name? By the same logic it might be useful to also say USA for those of us who don't know where Chicago is, and Planet Earth for the Martians who might eventually use Wikipedia. No, our guideline is clear, be precise but only as precise as needed; We use the shorter unambiguous name. This guideline represents a great deal of previous discussion and experience. If some other articles don't conform to this we should either change them too or, if there's some good reason for making an exception, develop a more detailed guideline to cover these cases. Andrewa (talk) 20:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why stop at the city name? Because most international airports include the name of the city in their official title and this tends to be the name used outside of that area. Most of the external websites cited as "resources for the airport" in the article use Chicago in the title of the airport. Cjc13 (talk) 22:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So? We don't go by some other websites, we go by Wikipedia's naming conventions  Pur ple  back pack 89    00:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, many of the articles that contain both a city and a name do because the airport came before the name. For example, Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport was until a few years ago just Anchorage International Airport.  That is not the case with O'Hare; O'Hare has been called O'Hare since 1949, when it was first becoming a commercial airport.  In fact, type in "Chicago International Airport", and it gives you Midway, which had that title first   Pur ple  back pack 89    15:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I think the work Purplebackbackpack89 has done with Google hits is pretty convincing.  Clearly, the usual version found is without the Chicago (and absolutely overwhelmingly so).  In addition, the Chicago Department of Aviation has it as O'Hare International Airport on its official website, so this is the official name, as well as the common name.  Move the page back to O'Hare International Airport.  Skinsmoke (talk) 06:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But the Federal Aviation Authority uses "Chicago O'Hare International Airport", ,. Many internet sites from within Chicago may use the name without Chicago, such as the Chicago Department of Aviation site, but I do not think that this necessarily reflects general usage. Cjc13 (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The official name doesn't count for much, as noted above. So far as the common name goes, the evidence presented above suggests that the name without the city is much more common. An unsupported opinion won't carry much weight against this evidence. Andrewa (talk) 03:25, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The only evidence appears to be the Google searches. The search for "O'Hare Airport" seems to have been done without the quotation marks, unlike the other searches. For "O'Hare Airport" with quotation marks is 357,000, not 1.24M. You can do a search for ""O'Hare International Airport" -"Chicago O'Hare International Airport"", which produces 330,000 results but many of those are from chicago-related websites, such as the Chicago Tribune, where it is not surprising that do not use the Chicago because they are local to the area. What we should be considering is what someone from outside the area would call the airport. Cjc13 (talk) 11:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't if it violates naming conventions. Naming conventions say drop the Chicago and go with a shorter title.  You seem to be disregarding a major WP guideline.  Your Google hit numbers can't be right-I clicked the same link five minutes ago and got 437,000.  Also, I doubt you have examined all those references as to determine whether or not they are Chicago-related...on the first page, many of them weren't   Pur ple  back pack 89    15:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Destination
I'm trying to recreate the map that used to be on this page, showing all destinations available from O'Hare. Is there a consensus on whether the Destinations list should include only non-stop destinations, or should also include direct flights? I am STRONGLY in favor of limiting the list to only non-stop destinations. This would involve, for example, axing cities like Hyderabad and everything in Pakistan. First, this gives a consistent standard. "Direct" varies widely by carrier, and can even involve plane changes. Continental, for example, advertises a direct flight from San Antonio to Guam, even with two stops and a plane change. Second, "direct" flights are changed all the time. Carriers are constantly rerouting these on temporary bases. Third, I just think this gives a better read on what's accessible from the airport. The non-stop flight list is the list you would see on the flight board at the airport itself. Further, one can buy a ticket from Chicago to anywhere, so why include cities like Hyderabad, where the stopover doesn't include a plane change? It's meaningful to list Delhi, but why list Hyderabad over, say, Chennai? I plan to go over this list and prune not only out-of-date destinations, but also flights that are merely direct. Any other points of view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The-Postman (talk • contribs) 21:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I withdraw the suggestion. Airport guidelines say to list all direct routes except those where the stopover is in a hub.122.172.192.95 (talk) 10:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * And also, the aircraft type must be the same all the way through. Snoozlepet (talk) 20:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

•Could anyone find/make another destinations map? The one currently used is outdated/wrong. An example is United's flight to Singapore, which is not displayed.

Charters
Swift Air provides or is scheduled to provide regular, scheduled service to Zagreb and Belgrade. If there is a problem with including this on the page, state your argument here.75.34.183.169 (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not see any rules that would exclude this content here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airports/page_content.75.34.183.169 (talk) 19:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Swift Air flights to Zagreb and Belgrade are neither regular nor scheduled. They are chartered. You cannot buy tickets from Swift Air. Air Plus sells the tickets. It has been discussed many times at WP:AIRPORT over the years on what to do with charter flights and the consensus is they should be excluded unless they are regular (continuing) or reccurring. (For example, China-Saipan flights are chartered many months each time and the contract may go to another Chinese airline for a few months. Airlines don't sell tickets because Chinese tourists must be in groups to be admitted.) The Swift Air flights this summer are not scheduled to return next summer. There can be destinations listed as "seasonal" or "charter", but I've never seen both. Non-recurrence in this case forbids the "seasonal" label, and if "charter" is used, there must be an end date because it is known. HkCaGu (talk) 20:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Neither regular nor scheduled." Not true.  Any search on these routes will show that these flights are scheduled for weekly service all summer.  Further, just because the tickets aren't available through Orbitz shouldn't preclude their inclusion here.  Finally, this site gives a conflicting start date, but suggests the flights are not seasonal:http://www.jetsettersblog.com/blog/2011/06/01/swift-air-nonstop-chicago-zagreb-service/.  I have seen no articles stating an end date, although they certainly could be out there.  I'd be interested to see the articles on this route suggesting its non-regular, non-scheduled, and seasonal nature.75.34.183.169 (talk) 02:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Swift Air is a charter airline, and it's clear on their website that Air Plus sells the flight. Air Plus features a booking calendar and all scheduled flights. They aren't any beyond the end of this summer. HkCaGu (talk) 02:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, provide me to some sort of governing rule and I'll relent. I have again tried to find a rule governing charters, and have failed.  I don't see why the seller of the tickets should matter--these flights are all open to the public, regular, scheduled, and according to some sources are not seasonal.75.34.181.124 (talk) 08:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you even read the flyairplus.com website? Chartered flights are not "scheduled" or "regular" (This is simple aviation language.) And there are no flights after September 14. I can't afford the time to dig into the past many years of discussion about chartered flights. That is just the consensus as those who reverted you remember. HkCaGu (talk) 09:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The article states that they are charters. A new section for charter carriers needs to be created and Swift Air needs to be listed there. Also, on the Belgrade and Zagreb airport pages, Swift Air is listed under the charter section of the article. Snoozlepet (talk) 20:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Air France flights to CDG
According to this article, Air France flights to CDG are "ending" October 28 (which I find very odd that AF would pull out of ORD). Yet, according to the Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport article, AF's CDG-ORD flights are seasonal (which is also odd). Which one is it? Are these seasonal, or is AF pulling out for good in October 2011? I went on Air France's website, and was able to find direct ORD-CDG AF flights for November 2011. I am making a correction, to reflect that the CDG flights w/AF are not ending, nor seasonal. Skyduster (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

There is a thread on A.net related to this. It is saying that DL will start nonstop service from ORD-CDG, to replace AF on this route. Here is the link to the thread: DL Replacing AF on ORD-CDG --98.250.92.159 (talk) 16:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Some random guy's personal blog not a reliable source. You can still book CDG-ORD flights on their website but you cannot book ORD-CDG. Leave it alone as it is cause maybe AF will resume this route again in the near future or it may operate on a seasonal basis. Snoozlepet (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A.net is not "some random guy's personal blog". It is a site that contains forums in which users discuss aviation news in the site's Civil Aviation Forum. However, I will leave the infoboxes alone, because some users on there have stated that DL has no interest in internationally expanding the ORD market. So Skyduster would indeed be right that AF is not ending ORD-CDG. 98.250.92.159 (talk) 13:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Still, that is NOT considered a reliable source. I was able to find Air France operating ORD-CDG flights and vice versa all year. Also, Delta' website, I was able only to find DL-operated ORD-CDG flights only thru early March. After that, all operated by Air France so I have denoted the DL route as seasonal. Snoozlepet (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Air France flights are now seasonal. The AF-operated flight is not bookable from October 30 and is all DL thru the end of March 2012 then AF operates the route next summer. So, seasonal is the best way to denote those flights. Snoozlepet (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Aer Lings - Dublin
As Aer Lings use USPC in Dublin which Terminal are there flights arriving in over here. It says T5 but is than not the international terminal or can it hanlde other flights that clear USPC to?Jamie2k9 (talk) 00:31, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * O'Hare's official airport website still has Aer Lingus flights operating from the International Terminal 5 (when passengers deplane, it will not lead to US Customs and Immigration but instead will lead straight out in the terminal). Unless, you have a source stating that Aer Lingus moved than it still operating from Terminal 5. At ATL, flights to/from Dublin still operate from the International Concourse E but passenger will deplane straight out onto the concourse in ATL and not to customs and immigrations. Snoozlepet (talk) 06:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Had it confimed that is what happons with all EI US airports at the monement. Jamie2k9 (talk) 14:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Image request
Hmm. How about we include a map of O'Hare's terminals? And that can go right into the "Terminals" section. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 20:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

flickr link
I have re-removed the link to http://www.flickr.com/photos/12530375@N08/6819703937/sizes/h via.

Quite simply, the link goes contrary to WP:ELPOINTS "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article." At best, an argument might be made to add it to the external links section, although since the links also fails WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE, I believe that WP:NOT would then apply. Instead, adding a dmoz link would be more appropriate in the external links section. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * "the links also fails WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE"


 * Anyone who reads those sections will see the link doesn't fail them.


 * "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article." So what's "normally" mean? Good a guess as any: "Few external links are so important to the article that they should appear in its body where the reader can't miss them." This link is important. The history sections of most all Wikipedia airport articles are fair or worse, and ORD's article is no exception. If they were available, authoritative diagrams from decades ago would be a large improvement to every airport article. Too bad few are online. Tim Zukas (talk) 00:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Regarding what "normally" means, you should follow the ref next to the statement, which spells it out more clearly: " Exceptions are rare. Links to Wiktionary and Wikisource can sometimes be useful. Other exceptions include use of templates like, which produces charts on the Toolserver, and  , which is only used when non-free and non-fair use media cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia."  Or read the rest of the line after the ref: "Instead, include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable."  How you are wanting to interpret WP:EL isn't syncing with how it's written.
 * re: WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE - the link meeting these is arguable; and as I am assuming we are unlikely to agree with each other on it, an RfC or a message at WP:ELN may be appropriate to reach consensus on adding it to the external links section. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:57, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Fine dining at O'Hare
During the 1960's O'Hare featured a fine dining restaurant - the 7 Continents. It was located in the round building adjacent to terminal 1 and 2. It attracted not only travelers but locals desiring a fine dining experience. Additionally, before security became rabid there existed a viewing platform in terminal 2 where one could go outdoors and watch the planes land and take off. - J. Patlyek — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.206.144 (talk) 14:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Pakistan International Airlines to ORD
For those that have added stuff on the page or have removed stuff, here is a source that states as of Sunday, March 24, 2013 (yesterday) that the flights have been suspended. The source is: http://www.piac.com.pk/PIA_PolicynTerms/pia-CHIinfo.asp Hope this helps. -Connor (WorldTraveller101 &#124; talk &#124; contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 23:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The source says that flights was suspended in 2012 not 2013. They are planning to resume service soon. 68.119.73.36 (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Ground transportation
I was trying to make the ground transportation section a little more accessible, used SFO & BOS as guidance. Open to discuss appropriate level of detail. - Broke out ground transportation from facilities section - Added link to O'Hare Blue line station wiki article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Another user hawk (talk • contribs) 22:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Update on traffic stats
Can anyone update the intl traffic stat. They are two years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Airplane54 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Icelandair service resumes or begins
Icelandair is starting service here in March 2016. Airline Route states that it is a resumption as it served Reykjavik-Chicago service in October 1988. However, the airline's press release says that it is a new service but the second/third paragraph of the press release states that Chicago was served previously by Icelandair. When did O'Hare open? The airline may serve MDW and transferred operations to ORD after the latter airport opened. 97.85.113.113 (talk) 08:00, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Incidents section needs to be trimmed
Per wiki standards, the "incidents" section of an airport entry should only contain references pertaining to incidents which directly effected the airfield (i.e. happened on premesis or near the airport). For example a flight which crashed in NYC but happened to originate at ORD should not be included here. 108.81.226.148 (talk) 15:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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United Airlines charter service to Havana
I have removed Havana as a charter destination for United Airlines since no source was provided saying that the airline operates any charter flights to Cuba from O'Hare. Couldn't find anything stating so. 97.85.113.113 (talk) 06:08, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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Prospective flights section
I am of the opinion that this section should stay. The only argument given so far in edit summaries in that WP:AIRPORTS says otherwise. As far as my reading of WP:AIRPORTS goes at best it describe what should be in the destinations tables, and even there it is ambiguous. If there is a page I'm missing I'd appreciate being pointed at it as I'm not finding anything that is as clear cut as the edit summaries suggest. Furthermore, WP:AIRPORTS does not even seem to be a guideline and so are at best, a suggestion to which common sense should be applied. At the very least I think the resumption of flights to Cuba should be included given the significant press coverage they have received. I'd agree that the section may currently be overly long and not all possibilities should be included but where there is significant press coverage about a possible resumption (such as in the case of Cuba flights) then an airport article seems a logical please to put this. Dpmuk (talk) 01:41, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semi Protected Edit Request
Can someone remove "seasonal" from Air France as the airline will operate the service year round. Here's the source: https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2017/08/02/air-france-moves-to-operate-chicago-paris-route.html. 97.85.118.142 (talk) 01:29, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That was not done. Do not implement edit requests and write "source is on the talk page". Jytdog (talk) 02:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Source is now added to the destination stating that it is year-round. TravelLover37 (talk)

Statistics
Removed this statement, which appears to be true (from forums on Airliners.net) from flight/passenger numbers at ORD:

"It is among a select group of airports worldwide with the distinction of serving more than 200 destinations, along with Heathrow, Frankfurt, Atatürk, Amsterdam, Charles de Gaulle, Atlanta, Dallas/Fort Worth, Munich, and Dubai."

Perfunctory research indicated informal support for the numbers (by internet users comparing airports' own numbers) but no definitive, published numbers to reference.Chidino (talk) 00:59, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

"Modernization plan" section
First off, it looks like the "modernization plan" section has not been updated in a while. Second, should that section be merged into the "History" section? Much of the events listed in the modernization plan section took place quite a while ago and it may not be appropriate to continue to give it its own section (then, of course, I'm not sure what the exact status of the plan is as it does not appear to have been updated in a while). --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 02:08, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

I've updated the Modernization plan section and added a section for the new terminal plan. Chidino (talk) 05:40, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Infrastructure
In the past, history of runways was both here and in the earlier sections about the history and growth of ORD. I'm going to make a judgement call and say that the references earlier are sufficient, and if additional fleshing out from there is needed, I honestly don't think it belongs in this section. Here the discussion should be as to facilities, runways, infrastructure as it currently exists, imo... maybe in the event a lost pilot brings this description up while flying? slight LOLChidino (talk) 06:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Air India to Hyderabad
Stop adding Hyderabad! Many users have repeatedly added HYD as a destination for ORD even though HYD-ORD-DEL is not on the same plane. There is a change from a 777 to another 777 in DEL. Additionally, per bullet #7 of AIRPORT-CONTENT, flights travelling through hubs on the same flight number should not have the final "flight number destination" listed. --Irehdna (talk) 00:49, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


 * This plea was warranted in 2018 when it was posted, but it's no longer valid. Previously, Air India sold Chicago-Hyderabad tickets that they marketed as a discrete flight but actually required a plane change in Delhi.  We were right to exclude Hyderabad as a destination then.  But Air India now does actually offer a non-stop Chicago-Hyderabad every Wednesday.  Seriously.  This is already properly sourced, telling me someone previously added it, properly sourced it, and had it removed by someone who didn't bother reading the source.  But it's real.  You can verify this on the already-cited source, on Air India's booking site, on Google Flights, on Flight Aware, or by just Googling it.  It's AI 108. ThisIsPaulina (talk) 19:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I removed Hyderabad, as it's no longer bookable. There's no news source on this, sadly, but that's not surprising.  It does show bookable again starting in March, but in lieu of any other source, and given the history, I think we wait and see.  ThisIsPaulina (talk) 20:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Class change
Some very kind person(s) at WikiProject Aviation/Airports raised their ranking of this article to B class. I took the liberty, based on that, to raise the page's ranking on WikiProject Illinois to B, since that project is listed as semi-active. I'll submit to WikiProject Chicago for assessment. Chidino (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

B rating
, I am having trouble giving this a B rating. I don't feel the WP:LEAD is really a summary of the article. If the LEAD is not decent, I can't support B. The LEAD seems to have all kinds of facts that are not even in the article rather than summarize it.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. I was imitating various airport articles, rather than following Wikipedia standards for WP:LEAD.  I'll keep working on it.  Chidino (talk) 06:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I've adjusted the LEAD to be a very brief summary of some of the highlights. Chidino (talk) 08:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Please make sure that you include a summary of each major section in the LEAD.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * At the very least, every paragraph should have at least one WP:IC from a WP:RS.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:35, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Better? (I haven't written a LEAD before, so I appreciate your help.  I have been following the standards and trying to adapt them here, and any feedback would be great.) Chidino (talk) 02:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The "Airlines and destinations" and "Statistics" sections remain as sectionz without prose. Each section should have well-cited prose. That prose should be summarized in the LEAD. The "Cargo" section has substantial prose and remains unsummarized in the LEAD. You will either need to reorganize the article or rework the LEAD. I am not a big fan of the current summary of the Terminals section. N. B.: In the end the LEAD will have to be 3 or 4 paragraphs (4 is the max for a quality LEAD). I remain concerned that many paragraphs are without ICs from RS.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I understand your concerns. I suspect this is one of the moments Wikipedia policy (well-established) wells up against an effective entrance. While I do not have any experience as a Wikipedia editor, I do know how to write a good, summarizing entry (and for an airport as complex as O'Hare, this is a DAMN good entry -- something you did not note). While Wiki's insistence on every section having equal weight in the opening, that means editing content to give equal weight to less pertinent facts. Especially with an airport, we could get caught up with statistics ad nauseum. Please tell me how to write a more meaningful entry of five paragraphs that will serve a purpose to someone 10 minutes out from landing at O'Hare. Who is Wikipedia serving here? I am not asking for reconsideration of B status -- I think that is appropriate. I wonder what devil we are serving when policy is more important than relevancy.

AND no answer summarizes my criticism -- after almost a year. What, precisely, holds you in grand respect and dismisses my views? Are you more valid than me?

Architectural recognition of Terminal 1 (Jahn)
@Magnolia677 In respect to Undid revision 852864104 by Funarchitect How is being one out of 200 notable? Please discuss.

Would the following be more acceptable?

In celebration of the 2018 Illinois Bicentennial, more than 3500 licensed Architects from throughout Illinois were asked to select the State's 200 most important architectural places, dating from the earliest prehistoric settlements to the most modern designs and structures; based on its unique spaces with their "splendid sense of light, and of lightness", the United Airlines Terminal at O’Hare was selected as one of these Illinois 200 Great Places by the American Institute of Architects Illinois component (AIA Illinois).

--Funarchitect (talk) 20:25, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Funarchitect As a contributor to this page that has struggled to help provide a consistent voice, I hope you don't mind my chiming in.

I believe this is an excessive amount of detail that doesn't serve O'Hare well. (As trivial as it sounds, if you boost the Terminal 1 coverage, an equal amount dedicated to Terminal 3 will magically appear.) This section, in particular, is dealing with the progress of the airport in the 1980s. Current architectural recognition, right before returning to construction on Terminal 3 in the 1980s, is abrupt and IMO misplaced in this section.

Further, I sincerely do not mean offense to AIA Illinois or to you, but this is, at best, trivial praise. "One of 200", as @Magnolia677 pointed out? And why is this list any more important than, say, the CAF's? In an effort to provide context, a quick Google search turned up the AIA (in toto) naming it "one of the best ten works of American architecture completed since 1980." That exceedingly impressive award isn't in there (maybe should be), but none of the architectural awards it, Terminal 5, and the CTA station have racked up are listed, simply because we're always struggling to keep this an introductory article and not meant to function as the Encyclopedia of O'Hare.

Chidino (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Get rid of United Express in destination table?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_17#Potential_Major_Change_to_WP:Airports:_Removing_Regional_Carrier_Listings_from_Airport_Articles

I believe this settled the matter. However, there is one editor, unnamed for now, that, if we listen to him/her, United Express in the destination table of this article would be merged with United Airlines. If that happens, you won't know if an airport/city is served by United or United Express specifically. (That editor wants to do it on another airport but, if we listen to him, O'Hare could be in danger) I bring it up because many wise editors read O'Hare but few read smaller airport articles.

Should this change be made? (wipe out United Express)Aerostar3 (talk) 06:09, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * After more than a week of assessing for opinions, I will test edit the United Express table to see how it looks like. Also see the RFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#RFC_Destinations%3A_United_Express_and_United%2C_like_it_currently_is%2C_or_no_standard_way_is_ok Aerostar3 (talk) 03:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

There has been no change in Wikipedia policy. You (Rubber Ducky/Aerostar3/Blissfield101, allegedly) are performing edits while referring to an RfC that "received" 16 votes, of which 9 supported the position. This is hardly a consensus; the most important thing is to broaden the scope of respondents to determine, if possible, what method works best for the average reader. Isn't that what is most important? I understand you have a position on this, but you have not convinced the rest of the editors, and this is a community. Chidino (talk) 06:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

"Ohare" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Ohare. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 1 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Conifer (talk ) 21:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

A notable fact
O'Hare currently has the most number of runways of any civilian airport. While I added this fact in the article, I was considering working it into the introduction. I feel like it's a pretty notable fact to include in the lead. Thoughts? Apoorv Chauhan (talk) 08:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)