Talk:Oak Hills Christian College/Archive 1

To the other person editing this page:
I do not want to play this game of editing and re-editing this page about Oak Hills Christian College. I agree with a number of your statements and disagree with others. As an alumnus of Oak Hills, I have my own perspective on the school. I have transferred from Oak Hills to both Bemidji State and St. Cloud State. Although I had some disagreement with Bemidji State about what credits they would take, most of my credits were accepted. And St. Cloud State accepted my entire Associate of Arts degree with no trouble at all.

I don't know what horrible experiences you may have had with Oak Hills, but I am sorry that you feel so angry at the school and its faculty. I feel it necessary to defend them from the things you have written because of my wonderful experiences there. I left Oak Hills with a two-year degree that both looks good on a résumé and made it possible for me to transfer to a state university as a junior. While at Oak Hills, I grew in my understanding of the Bible and as a free thinking individual.

As I said previously, I did run into snags when trying to transfer to Bemidji State. However, I had been warned by the staff at Oak Hills that my credits may not all transfer to Bemidji State. Perhaps the students at Oak Hills are not all as fortunate as I have been in their experience with the school, but I know that there is a good majority of alumni who could share both bad and good experiences. I am sorry that you do not seem to have anything good to hold on to.

205.242.75.106 21:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

NO POV: JUST INFORMATION, PLEASE (read Wikipedia rules):
I have deleted an incredible amount of personal comments someone added and keeps adding. I'm not connected to this instittuion (nor do I care about it at all). But the Wikipedia rules are very clear about introducing POV instead of information. What is left simply describes the institution. If someone has something negative or positiive to add, this should come in the form of facts and data, not subjective POV.

--71.58.87.85 02:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Point of Fact
What is being posted in the extended entry on this topic is true. Oak Hills Christian College is not accredited by any legitimate accreditation organization. Oak Hills Christian College staff and faculty have claimed and continue to claim that Oak Hills degrees and credits will transfer to any university when in fact they don't even transfer to the state university not even ten miles down the road. Oak Hills Christian College staff and faculty discourage any thinking or interpretations beyond their own narrow understanding of God, Christ, Scripture, Ethics, Morality and so on and will direct you away from any commentaries or books or resources that run contrary to their views--a simple search of their library will demonstrate this. The fact of the matter is: Oak Hills Christian College is not an institution of education but of indoctrination and in the end, unless you remain in the very small circle of conservative evangelicalism, any degree earned from Oak Hills is pretty much useless.

People need to know the facts. I will continue to post them. These aren't "point of view" comments. This are simple and verifiable facts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.235.72.238 (talk) 04:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

POV vs. Facts
The person whose IPA is 64.235.72.238 seems unable to understand the spirit of Wikipedia. This entry describes a small institution and labels it (correctly, one assumes) as a Christian & Evangelical college. The vast majority of Evangelical Bible colleges in the USA are (in different degrees) fundamentalist institutions, which normally lack the full academic recognition (or any recognition at all) one expects from most colleges and universities. Given the fact that this place is labeled as such, Christian & Evangelical, what is the need to go on in an angry (and seemingly personal) rant against it?

On a more personal note, if I may, if someone attended this institution and now feels conned or betrayed, this person somehow got what she/he deserved. Or did this person expect a liberal, cosmopolitan, well-rounded, modern education at an Evangelical college? That would be an unusual and very naive expectation.

--71.58.87.85 10:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the Point
That's the point. I and others have been conned. Oak Hills' recruiting practices are suspect. We were told that regardless of perspective and regardless of tradition we would be able to find a home at Oak Hills. We were told that Oak Hills was a place of dialogue when in fact the only dialogue that would be found would be the only one they approve: Their view. And above all else we were told that our degree would mean something and that our credits would transfer--which of course, unless we remained in the very small circles that make up the brand of Evangelicalism that Oak Hills espouses, is far from the truth.

The point of wikipedia is to provide information--as accurate as possible--by people familiar with the various topics that are found on wikipedia. That is precisely what I'm doing--just like all the other users and contributors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.235.72.238 (talk) 19:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

AGAIN: POV and autobiography is not DATA
One cannot post subjective, personal, autobiographical takes on these entry subjects. If you think people feel conned and disappointed, you need to do your research and post (a) information on legal suits brought against this institution, (b) complaints filed with state boards against this institution, and so forth. If you have no data to support your claims (other than your subjective personal statement "many people feel conned..."), then you should not post it.

If they misrepresented anything when you enrolled, go and sue them, or file a complaint with the college board in that state, but do not vent your anger here.

--71.58.87.85 22:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Verifiable Information ARE Data
This is not anecdotal evidence. This has not happened to just one person. Even the first poster on the discussion page stated difficulty transferring credits from Oak Hills to an accredited institution.

As to legal action taken against the institution for its false claims, do you honestly think that if I or anyone else were involved in legal proceedings against Oak Hills we'd post it on the net?

It is not a subjective statement to state that many people feel they have been conned. Again this is a verifiable fact. Perhaps your time would be better spent verifying these facts yourself rather than declaring your obvious bias by dismissing these facts as "subjective" and arguing them with someone who actually knows better.

Wikipedia is a place for information gathering. If a person is looking to gather information on Oak Hills Christian College they should know more than the rosie image Oak Hills paints of itself. There are two sides to every issue and for you to continue to insist there is only one (their approved side) only demonstrates the narrowness of the institution. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.235.72.238 (talk) 04:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC).