Talk:Oak Ridge gatehouses

covering 3 NRHP-listed places
The article is not at first clear whether it is the Wikipedia article covering three NRHP places, but I notice the author setting up pipelinks from those three items in 2 NRHP list-articles: National Register of Historic Places listings in Anderson County, Tennessee and National Register of Historic Places listings in Roane County, Tennessee. I just set up redirects from those 3 names to this article, needed for readers who might actually search in wikipedia for the name of the NRHP-listed places. I'll revise the article now to try to show that this is in fact the wikipedia article covering them, which means naming them in bold in the article. An alternative or complement would be to include NRHP infoboxes for each one of them showing their NRHP listing names, but I believe the author of this article doesn't want those, which is fine. However, i do think we have to try to tell readers this is where the NRHP topics are covered, if that is meant (or link to separate articles for them, if having separate articles is intended). --doncram (talk) 05:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * One of the reasons why this article languished in my user space for two years was my awareness that as soon as it went live, someone would show up and declare that afficionadoes of the National Register of Historic Places WP:OWN these properties and the article. Congratulations on finding the article less than an hour after I moved it to article space. I hope you don't mess things up to the point that no one who knows and cares about these properties can recognize them in the article. --Orlady (talk) 05:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, great to cooperate with you. Excuse me for having watchlisted one of the NRHP list-articles you just pipelinked from, which called my attention to this.  I didn't know that you wp:OWNed that and/or this article.  Thanks for your appreciation of my helping out and all that. :(


 * On another matter, the sourcing in the first draft of the article is a bit off. You so far cited as one document a PDF file that includes correspondence plus apparently 6 separate individual NRHP application documents (3 covered in this article plus 3 others), perhaps as if that is a MPS document, with title Listing of Multiple Properties at Oak Ridge in the National Register of Historic Places.  In fact the reference is given hidden label "MPSFORM".  But looking at that PDF, it appears not to include a copy of the MPS document itself, which I find at wp:MPS is here, instead.  The MPS document and its author(s) and date would probably be usefully cited in the article.  The individual 3 NRHP documents should be individually cited, crediting their author(s) (likely the same author, but separate work to be credited).  I may edit the article accordingly, if you don't get to it before me.  I know that in some previous discussions with you about apartment buildings in Indianapolis and elsewhere, that there seemed to be confusion about the relationship of MPS overviews and individual NRHP nomination documents.  Hopefully clarifying about the relevant documents for this article in your personal domain will more fully resolve any remaining confusion.  I do believe you will agree that the separate sources do need to be properly credited here, anyhow. --doncram (talk)


 * Drafting references (imperfect but a start):


 * Historic and Architectural Resources of Oak Ridge MPS document


 * Bear Creek Road Checking Station NRHP nomination


 * Bethel Valley Road Checking Station NRHP nomination


 * Oak Ridge Turnpike Checking Station NRHP nomination


 * which appear in a reference section as follows. References:
 * I think it is correct to show Department of Energy as the publisher of the 3 individual NRHP documents, as it is their website publishing them, while the NPS publishes the MPS document. I think these should be cited separately in the article, in some places replacing previous usages of reference labelled "MPSFORM" and dated in 1992.  Perhaps individual correspondence dated 1992 or other items in the PDF need to be cited separately, too, if they are drawn from. --doncram (talk) 06:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Added these 4 references to the article. Also i replaced label "MPSFORM" by "MemosEtc" to reduce confusion in further editing.  Further use of these more specific references to add more material, and further replacements of references to the non-specific PDF now labelled MemosEtc, would help, but that's all i can do for now.  Bye. --doncram (talk) 06:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

interior view
This article would benefit from a photograph of the interior of one of the gatehouses. When I pass through the area, the blinds are always drawn and the door is locked. Bms4880 (talk) 18:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)