Talk:Oakland (Pittsburgh)

Major Institutions
I'm taking out this section in favor of a 'local establishment' (or some better phrase) list. I could only think up two off the bat, so fee free to add. Relisting the Carnegie (et al) entities seemed redundant.Exoterrick 14:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Separate into North, Central, South, West Oakland?
Any support for separating this article into 4 separate articles? (North, Central, South, West Oakland) These areas are distinctive from each other, and I think are worthy of individual attention. Of course, I will await consensus before doing anything drastic. --TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 04:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think, as the article reads now, there isn't much justification for splitting them off into their own articles. There just isn't enough information on each independent section yet. However, as the information for the specific neighborhoods expands, it would naturally split off.   But, if someone start working on a specific section's article in their sandbox that may help to decide.  CrazyPaco (talk) 20:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Technicality of neighborhoods
Looking at the City's official neighborhood maps, it appears most of CMU, including Hamerschlag Hall, fall with the neighborhood of Squirrel Hill North, not Oakland. Should CMU photos/links be removed (except for Mellon Institute) for this reason? or I guess you could argue the photo was taken from Oakland. CrazyPaco (talk) 02:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a reasonable point. Boundary street forms the boundary (cough) between Squirrel Hill South and Oakland officially, but most residents consider CMU's main campus to be part of Oakland. It's worth a mention at least. Also, Phipps Conservatory is pretty solidly in Squirrel Hill. &mdash; brighterorange  (talk) 23:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Size
Other Pittsburgh neighborhood articles mention the number of square miles/acres the neighborhood occupies. Any luck on having that data added here? Dean (talk) 13:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in the infoboxes, from the census. You just gotta add 'em up? &mdash; brighterorange  (talk) 23:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Collegetown
Regarding this edit, has anyone else ever heard of any part of Oakland being referred to as "Collegetown"? It could be a new thing, but I've never, ever heard that from anybody, resident or non-resident, nor have I ever seen that in any source or publication (I've found zero hits in relation to "Collegetown" and Oakland in searches in The Pitt News, Post-Gazette, Trib-Review, and Google). It certainly isn't widespread, so I reverted this for now, but if this a term that others have regularly heard referring to Oakland, I have no problem having it in there, although it still would be better with a source.CrazyPaco (talk) 22:34, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Fire Bureau - Discrepancies
The number of trucks cited as being in a single house here is more than the number attributed to the entire dept in the article on the Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire. The number of engines is a full third of the number of such cited in that same article. Something ain't right??? Irish Melkite (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * # 10 and #14 are the Fire Station numbers, not the truck/engine numbers, so I reworded it. CrazyPaco (talk) 01:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Defining South Oakland vs. Central Oakland
A large portion of the prose in the "South Oakland" section presently serves to distinguish South Oakland from Central Oakland, and I've been largely (or maybe wholly) responsible for that fact. The issue is that, for many residents of Oakland, Central Oakland is referred to as "South Oakland", and the real South Oakland may as well not even exist!

I live in South Oakland myself, so it's a very sore point for me that whenever I tell someone I live in South Oakland, they misunderstand and think I live in what they think is South Oakland, but which I know is actually Central Oakland. I've taken to saying simply that I live on the southern side of the Boulevard, since the term "South Oakland" has been pervasively redefined by the residents of Central Oakland. In terms of encyclopedic concern, this issue is especially problematic when people assert, for example, that South Oakland is a student ghetto, when it definitely is not, as proven by census figures.

With all of that said, I recognize that the issue is currently being given undue weight vis-a-vis the limited scope of the other prose in the South Oakland section. The ideal solution, I think, would be to expand the sections of all of the subdivisions of Oakland. &mdash;Bill Price (nyb) 02:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

New census numbers
An anonymous IP edited in new (2010) census numbers. The corresponding infobox will need to be updated to display them, but do we have a source for these new numbers? CrazyPaco (talk) 05:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Cultural center of Pittsburgh?
Is it really encyclopedic to open up the article with the statement about oakland being the academic, cultural and healthcare center of pittsburgh without any real numbers anywhere (even in the sources) to back that up? I wouldn't be surprised if the oakland neighborhoods ended up with a higher concentration of academics or healthcare facilities / employees, but I think terming oakland the "cultural center" of pittsburgh is just unverifiable and biased opinion. 108.32.85.226 (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no doubt that it is the academic and medical epicenters of the city but you may have a point about it being the cultural center. Historically, it has been referred to as such because of the Carnegie Museums of Art & Natural History, the Carnegie Music Hall, the main branch of the Carnegie Library, Phipps, Soldiers & Sailors, the Nationality Rooms, the numerous social clubs (like the University Club, the Pittsburgh Athletic Association, and 20th Century Club) and previously, Forbes Field, the Syria Mosque, and Pitt Stadium which at one time hosted the Civic Light Opera. Whereas the downtown Cultural District may now lay such a claim on the city's major professional performance venues, Oakland still has the Stephen Foster Memorial theaters, the Pittsburgh Playhouse, the Philip Chosky Theater, among others. Even if it isn't the cultural center, I think it can be easily be described as "one of the city's major cultural centers". CrazyPaco (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Sites - Sports Teams - Penguins have never played in Oakland
The NHL Pittsburgh Penguins have never played in Oakland. The only NHL team to play in Oakland was called the Pittsburgh Pirates, a short lived team from the 1920's that did play at Duquesne Gardens. They are not affiliated with the modern penguins in any way. Duquesne Gardens was demolished more than 10 years before the Penguins played their first game. The Penguins only home arenas have been the Civic Arena and PPG Paints Arena.

I advise/suggest we replace the penguins with a link to the NHL version of the Pittsburgh Pirates. At the very least, the reference to the Penguins playing in Oakland should be removed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Pirates_(NHL)

http://pittsburghhockey.net/arenas/duquesne-gardens

Thanks!