Talk:Oana Pantelimon

IOC report wrong?
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Hi! Thanks for clearing up multiple Olympic-related pages! I'm curious about the official result list for the women's high jump though.

I understand that the IAAF result lists may not be trustworthy (i.e. DQ for USA in the 4x400 m...). But it does show the following data:

1  Yelesina Yelena           RUS  2.01 (SB) 2  Storbeck-Cloete Hestrie   RSA  2.01 (SB) 3  Bergqvist Kajsa           SWE  1.99 3  Musunoiu-Pantelimon Oana  ROM  1.99 (PB)

And, when examining the height-by-height results, there is no difference between the two athletes whatsoever.

Athlete                   185  190  193  196  199  201  203 Bergqvist Kajsa           o    o    o    o    xo   x-   xx  Musunoiu-Pantelimon Oana   o    o    o    o    xo   xxx

If the above figures are displayed correctly in the IAAF result list, there is no way that anyone could have won or lost on countback.

The IAAF profile for Oana Pantelimon still shows a third place finish in Sydney 2000 (although that might not be fully reliable. Look, for instance at the preposterous IAAF profile for Stian Andersen).

Could you tell me the url for the official (IOC?) result list? We should compare the two. And by the way let's keep the discussion on this page. Punkmorten 22:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * My two primary references for all Olympic-related results are the IOC medal database here and the official reports from each Games in PDF format here. In the case of the women's high jump in 2000, both of these sources agree with each other that only a single bronze medal was awarded (to Bergqvist), so that's why I made the changes.  I have been going through all the Games adding up the per-sport medal counts we have on Wikipedia, comparing to the official totals to find any discrepancies, and this was one I found.


 * As for the 4x400 relay, the IOC database still showed USA with the gold, not NGR, so I googled around to try to see if the IOC database or the IAAF database was more current. I found the references to the CAS ruling that seemed to support the IOC list with USA-NGR-JAM as official, so that's why I made those changes.


 * Hope this helps, Andrwsc 22:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The Sydney results PDF perfectly matches the IAAF result in terms of each attempt ("x" and "o"), but it also clearly shows Pantelimon as ranked 4th instead of a tie for 3rd. There are tie rankings further down that list at 9th and 11th, so some tie-breaking method had to have been used between Pantelimon and Bergqvist.  I have no answer to that, but I still think our best approach is to align with the IOC/SOCOG results as our primary sources.  Andrwsc 22:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I noticed the same thing, I will investigate the issue. So I'll get back to you over the weekend, thanks for the link. Punkmorten 23:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. I eventually contacted mr. A. Lennart Julin, head of the statistics department in Sweden and "respected track and field statistician" Saying the IOC report is "wrong" on this issue, Julin directed me to the news item written by the Swedish Athletics Association at the time, which says that Bergqvist and Pantelimon shared the bronze medal. The same is said in this Associated Press report. Many circumstances here indicate that the IOC report is, in fact, wrong, don't you agree? Punkmorten 20:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's some persistence you have! As always, I think the best approach is to quote both sets of sources and explain the inconsistency.  There will be a non-trivial "ripple effect" here, as all the medal counts on several pages assume that there was only one bronze, so that set of explanatory footnotes will need to be placed on all those pages.  Good work!  Andrwsc 20:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed this page accordingly. Now the medal count pages etc needs to be changed as well. Punkmorten 21:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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