Talk:Oasis (band)/Archive 9

British or English
There seems to be a bit of an edit war going on concerning whether Oasis were English or British. Lots of editing but no talking. This is what the talk page is for so lets talk and reach a consensus. Bjmullan (talk) 08:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably stating the obvious but...they were both English and British. English is more specific, so I see no problem describing them as English. Vagueness isn't a good trait for an encyclopedia.--Michig (talk) 08:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

They are a British band their mother is Irish and their genre is Britpop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.204.127 (talk) 22:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Their mother'? They're not The Osmonds.--Michig (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

If Oasis is just The Rain renamed, shouldn't they be on the same page? II
It is essentially the same band. But they originally had a different singer, some Chris guy (read Paul Mathur's Take Me There: The Story Of Oasis for reference from Bonehead). Liam was not a founding member, and he was the one who suggested the name Oasis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ImGonnaDJ (talk • contribs) 08:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, purely from an artistic standpoint. Oasis has always been when Noel was persuaded to join the band and wrote the songs for Oasis in the first couple of albums. Therefore The Rain never had any songs that went on to be the artisitic output of Oasis. --Omar418 (talk) 01:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Definitely seperate, Oasis became so with Noel Gallagher who has nothing to do with The Rain. He is (was) the dominant figure of Oasis and wrote almost everything, Oasis sound is Noel Gallagher, the Rain are a completely different band. A detailed mention on Liam Gallaghers page is sufficient. I am removing the tag.--LisaSandford (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * When we reach a consensus here the merge tags will be removed, but please don't remove them simply because you have decided against the merge.--Michig (talk) 05:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: The issue here is whether The Rain should remain as a separate article, or whether the content relating to that band should be merged to this article. Please concentrate on this rather than discussion of whether or not they were the same band. Bands with a claim to notability that solely relies on members going on to another band are generally best merged to the band that is actually notable in its own right.--Michig (talk) 05:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there any need for the tag? 2 months have passed and no one has been interested in putting it in. The original request stating "If Oasis is just The Rain renamed", so they didn't know if their request was legit (which fair enough they were asking), no Oasis is not just The Rain renamed. The follow up states "essentially the same band"..what? A. there is no Noel Gallagher in The Rain, B. the secondary member of Oasis (Liam) wasn't even a founding member of The Rain. As others have stated its a rather tenuous link. Oasis are the Gallagher brothers. The name 'The Rain' is covered in both the lede and the body, and in my view thats more than enough.--Xavier 21 (talk) 04:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

It's been over a month, can we have some movement either way? Either merge the articles, or remove the tag. Nev1 (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I commented on 24 September that that they are separate (in haste removed the tag) but believe enough time has elapsed. Its a trivial issue as the wikilink gives info on Rain, whom from an artistic standpoint as Omar mentions, are a different entity to Oasis.LisaSandford (talk) 07:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Oasis are Indie Rock not Alternative as it doesn't mean anything.
No such thing as Alternative.Indie Rock were Oasis.and it should stay this way

bollocks to that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.41.105 (talk) 09:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Oasis were part of the "Britpop" movement which is another genre of alternative rock so it would seem right that "alternative rock" be there. 174.30.123.133 (talk) 09:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC) No such thing as alternative rock or alternative. It is originally Indie Rock and it should still be but if it keeps getting changed then i will have to complain to wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crolladder (talk • contribs) 23:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean there's no such thing as alternative rock or alternative? So what you're saying is that alternative rock doesn't exist? --174.30.123.133 (talk) 010:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

yeah, oasis are indie, and pink floyd are punk, notice the sarcasm Jonneh123 (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Alternative rock does indeed exist; I didn't spend countless hours citing that article and its subgenre pages for nothing. Unless you can come up with a convincing argument based on reliable sources, there's not reason not to list it. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

It may exist but not in Oasis,maybe in pop bands and pink floyd but not in Oasis.This is very offensive to me so whoever changes it will be reported to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crolladder (talk • contribs) 20:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Aww.—indopug (talk) 09:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Threatening people who don't agree with you is not how hashing out consensus works on Wikipedia. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm putting both in with a citation request to attempt to sort this.  Bevo74 (talk) 16:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I think alternative rock is the right genre for Oasis as well as rock and britpop. They were not indie in my opinion. 97.125.248.17 (talk) 02:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

please note oasis hated being called indie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.249.203 (talk) 23:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock, just sayin 188.222.41.105 (talk) 19:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys here's an idea how about Rock, Britpop, Alternative Rock, and Indie Rock that way were all right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.245.177 (talk) 23:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Most of the post-2009 stuff needs a re-write, and a lot of it can go
Anyone opposed before I assault it? Mostly the Beady Eye stuff, it needs re-structuring completely and a lot of it's fine in its own article. (Chill (talk) 01:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC))

Good article?
The 'Musical style' and 'Legacy and influence' sections seem to be constantly filled with unsourced lists of bands, some of which are dubious to say the least. There's even an unsourced claim of plagiarism in there, as there is in the 'Formation and first years' section. The lede conflicts with the article The Rain, which states that Oasis were a different band, and the first section in the 'History' part of this article which states that Oasis evolved from The Rain rather than being originally known as The Rain. The lede is full of citations that would be better elsewhere. Manchester to Glasgow is about a 4-hour trip, but the article described it as a 'six hour journey' - it isn't clear whether this is supported by a source. There's a claim that Liam was under the influence of crystal meth (unsourced). "Whatever" is described as a 'Christmas single EP', which in nonsensical. There's inconsistency in how chart positions are presetented (e.g. number 1 vs. number one). I could go on, and I could try to fix/remove these myself, but there are probably other editors who would object, so perhaps regular editors of this article could try to bring it up to scratch? I'm happy to give it a go later in the week, but please let me know beforehand if there's going to be objections. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 19:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've sourced the two statements that were major BLP violations. Will revisit it later to look at the other issues.--Michig (talk) 07:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Comments and suggestions
This article is fairly well written but its sections are a little too descriptive. I would propose to reduce each section a little by eliminating details of minor importance.

I am surprised the "Musical style" section does not mention the band's "wall of sound", particularly in the early days (standard chords with distorted guitars).

Nothing is said about the many references to The Beatles and their work, particularly for songs like Don't look back in anger (piano intro) or The masterplan (the Oasis cross the street just like on the sleeve of Abbey Road by The Beatles).

ICE77 (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Timeline
Shouldn't we include this timeline in the article? Timelines are really helpful. Nataev (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Past Members??
How come Zak Starkey and Chris Sharrock are not in the InfoBox of Past Members? Later in the article it is pointed out that "Oasis" did not consider them to be members. Certainly Zak, being involved in 2 albums and the touring, and Chris, with touring, could both be considered "supporting" members regardless of how Oasis "officially" considered them. In many of the band articles I've read here it seems members are often considered to be anyone who performed with the group - whether on recordings or live performance. Could they be added in some form to the infobox to recognize their contribution to the group - however limited one might consider that contribution? Thanks! THX1136 (talk) 15:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Merge Beady Eye here?
I don't really see why they need a separate article. It's the same band minus Noel. Can't we just move the content to the bottom section with a heading like "As Beady Eye" or something like that? We could redirect the Beady Eye page to that section of this page. 65.185.86.64 (talk) 22:40, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with The Rain
Not notable apart from being a footnote in Oasis’s history. Released no records. ï¿½ (talk) 20:20, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Certainly not worth a standalone article. --Michig (talk) 21:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Agree. Especially as The Rain article, although useful, relies on a single source. Peaky76 (talk) 10:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Absolutely not notable by itself. 90.206.93.114 (talk) 05:41, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. And this is also not the primary subject "The Rain" as well. 2601:8C:4001:DCF4:4DB7:8078:579D:9A72 (talk) 14:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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Entry on the Gallagher brothers' fights
Hey there, so I recently made an entry on Noel and Liam's endless fight and it got removed from the article. I believe the subject is essential in order to understand Oasis' history. With their music aside, this is the main feature about the band. The entry's title was | Insult War: Liam vs Noel. Let me know if you believe this entry should be part of the band's article and if so, what should be edited to have it published. ASSASSINOFYOUTH (talk) 16:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The editor who undid your edit left the following summery: "manually restore. massively undue weight, sources of fairly dubious reliability used to support contentious and potentially defamatory information on living persons."  Rob van  vee  17:25, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Image
The image in the "Knebworth and peak of popularity to Be Here Now and ultimate backlash" section should not be used because other high quality band articles do not have those kinds of images. Dean12065 (talk) 01:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That not a good reason to remove. Just leave the image as it is please.  Rob van  vee  04:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with Robvanvee. There's nothing wrong with the image. TheOnlyOne12 (talk) 20:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Main photo
I believe the main photo on this article has been subpar for too long, and that it should be changed. While, yes, it does show the Gallagher's predominantly and is indicative of their stage presence, it's low quality and was taken past the true prime of the band's lifespan.

Sure, it would be a good image to use in a section discussing the later years of the band, but as the main image, it doesn't hold up. I believe a higher-quality photo of them at the height of their popularity and musicality would fit best.

Please let me know what you think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProBroBroccoli (talk • contribs) 03:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Since the band had two prominent formation and they had many examples of their lineup instability, what kind of picture would be able to satisfy every Oasis fans, who may have different perspective and knowledge of the Oasis lineup? Furthermore, during all of the instability commotion, the Gallagher brothers are the only stable factor of the whole existance of the band and they are the most prominent members of the band, compared to the other members. So I believe that it is better to leave the main picture as it was anyway. Huyfrost 04:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * There are many photos of just the Gallagher brothers at the height of their popularity. The image is not up to par. It's low-res and doesn't depict a good era of the band. Why keep it? ProBroBroccoli 13:02, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2021
I've got all the dates and venues for the Don't Believe the Truth tour. Shall I make a page for that tour? The current wiki redirects to the main band page. D1PD1 (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

There isn't a dedicated page for the 'Don't Believe the Truth' tour in 2006. This is the only album tour Oasis did for which there is no information on Wikipedia. All the other tours they did have dedicated pages. I am offering to create one for this tour.
 * Edit requests are to specifically request that an edit be made to an article, not for general discussion. You can discuss on the talk page without opening an edit request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

'Don't Believe the Truth' tour page?
Well if there is no entry for the 'Don't Believe the Truth' tour in the concert tour section (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_(band)#Concert_tours), does not that not count as an edit request? I am completely new to Wikipedia and I don't fully understand how this all works. I have finished drafting the page for this tour. How can I link it to the main band page, please?
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"Oasis(band)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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