Talk:Oat/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 14:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 23:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Will start this over the next few days. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 23:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I will wait until spotcheck issues are resolved before moving to the next sections of review. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I have added some points. Some might be beyond the scope of GA, if you flag them as such we can move past them. I'm sorry I still don't have a great grasp of what goes too far with WP:GA? Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 10:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not an exact science. We are enjoined to cover "the main points" which seems to work well.

Comments
Leaving comments as I edit.

Prose

 * far from the Middle East less weasely/delete
 * Removed.


 * Oat bread often contains only a small proportion of oats alongside wheat or other cereals. integrate into celiac section.
 * Done.


 * The straw can be used for making corn dollies. can you gloss?
 * Done.


 * A 2018 analysis... a lot of redundancy in this paragraph. Don't need author, that there were 25 species analysed. Jargon heavy, gloss on chloroplast, AACCDD.
 * Trimmed, but the tech details are central to the analysis here.
 * Yup, I think where it stands there isn't redundancy, but I don't really know what to make of it. It's a very long sentence, too long. The (AACCDD) needs reference to Nucleotide or a gloss, or a footnote... Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * hexaploid wild oat, one that has its DNA in six sets of chromosomes... diploid oat species (each with two sets of chromosomes)... tetraploid oats (each with four sets of chromosomes) can you think of a way to avoid repeating clause?
 * Trimmed slightly; the glosses have been added to make things easier for non-technical readers.
 * Better


 * Genomic study by Jinsheng Nan and colleagues in 2023 more redundancy in describing studies
 * Trimmed.


 * the hulled oat A. sativa and the naked oat A. Why is this the only time we hear the subject described as "hulled oat"
 * Hulled and naked are forms of the same species so only mentioned when both are in question.
 * Ah. And the naked variety is a lot rarer in agriculture I suppose? Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Guess so.


 * Genomic study by Jinsheng Nan... paragraph. Significance? Was it thought they were domesticated together? Why is that important?
 * Seen in paper why this is significant. Clarification would be helpful, if it needs to be addressed at all as it is debunking an outdated belief. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 10:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes. I've found that editors don't much like mentions of debunking, so it's generally best just to play things straight, this is the age, etc.


 * they can be some 15 to 40 centimetres (5.9 to 15.7 in) in length, and around 5 to 15 millimetres (0.20 to 0.59 in) in width. why are all the measurements preceded with "some" rather than more natural language. Further, is there a reason it is "in length" instead of "long".
 * It just comes naturally in my diction. Not a big deal.
 * No worries Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Botanically the grain is a caryopsis: The source says "The oat fruit is a caryopsis"; are these saying the same thing?
 * Yes. For the determined seeker after truth, a caryopsis is a seed fused with its (fruit) casing, but they can find that out by clicking on the link in the text.
 * I still don't really understand if the fruit is a caryposis or the whole plant but it sounds like it's just me. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The grain/caryopsis is the small seed thingy, it can grow into a new plant; the whole green plant is a much bigger thingy!

Content

 * Oats appear to have been cultivated before they were domesticated: The source says this is the stage in domestication before domestication (1608), therefore all domesticated crops will have been cultivated. Not notable.
 * Falling short of all domesticated crops, it is still not unusual as presented in text. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Edited.


 * Cooking section should mention instant/quick oats (I think)
 * Added. This is certainly marginal.
 * Thankyou, I'll avoid any suggestions like this. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 15:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Leaf rust: I don't see this in sources, and the page it links to calls it the crown rust that affects oat plants.
 * Yes, it's the same thing. Trimmed the wording.


 * "Oats are the least winter hardy of all the cereals and are susceptible to plant loss in cold winters" (Quaker) vs "Oats grow in temperate regions and are particularly hardy, best sown in winter or spring." (Kew)
 * It's like this: Oats are happy in cool wet temperate summers; they are less tolerant than wheat, barley, and rye, of cold winters. I've added figures from a new (USDA) source.


 * Oats are sown in the spring or early summer in colder areas... A lot of this paragraph is unsupported by source.
 * Removed, and see item above.