Talk:Océan-class ship of the line

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What is the source of the information on this page, please?
 * Several pages scattered here and there, notably, and . But you find lots of details scattered all over the Internet. There must be serious books on the subject somewhere, also... Rama 16:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's difficult to find comprehensive reliable information from this period expect for Britain. One interesting thing I found online was a photograph of a French ship of the line from around 1860, one of the last few built, possible Louis XI or a similar name, but I can't find it again! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SpookyMulder (talk • contribs) 11:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

I'm afraid your partisan attempt to show how great the French Navy isn't very effective. Everywhere I go I see the words, "The English usually copied French ship designs". It's entirely obvious that you're motivated more by offended national pride than the truth and your claims are blantantly untrue, not least because your arguement seems directed at the English (hence the term English Navy) and not the British.

The only ship type widely copied by the British was the 74. A small number of French frigates were copied but only because they were generally faster than their British equivalents, which has as much to do with their role within the French Navy as it does with the "superiority" of French designers. The British never took to copying first-rate ships of the line, and much like French frigates, they may have been slightly faster (not an ideal trait in a ship-of-the-line), but they were not as weatherly, not as durable, they generally didn't carry as much stores and were definately not as manouverable (in part due to the fact that they were intended to be faster and so had longer hulls). This applies to the entire period from the 1740s until the early 19th Century. The only thing you are doing is perpetuating myths that were long ago proven to be false. And by the way, the only useful source you have looks like it was taken from a children's book. You can't even offer any decent reading.

http://www.history.ac.uk/ihr/Focus/Sea/reviews/lamberta.html http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-057.htm The Line of Battle: Sailing Warships, 1650-1840 (Conway's History of the Ship)

Yawn, it seems you are the one who feels offended. How can the eternal, great and legendary Royal Navy be surprised in the eyes of the world looking enviously at the French Navy ?!? May the Almighty God prevents us from that. Let's see your reviews and examine them. Did the English/British copied some French designs ? Yes they did, example Leda-class Frigate based on French Hébé-class frigate. Were some French designs superiors to some English/British designs ? Yes, of course as the Royal Navy never the monopoly of the best at sea. Were almost French ships of this era built using the best materials ? Clearly not! That was one of the biggest plagues of the French Navy, good designs but poorly built. The other one was of course the perpetual lack of experience of French crews. So I don't see the point of your sudden excitation. 90.42.101.13 (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Should this type and this page not better be renamed "Commerce de Marseille class" after the first ship of the class instead of the third name of the second ship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.147.117 (talk) 18:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)