Talk:Ocarina Networks

Triwbe, why did you request deletion. Happy to do so, but it would really help if you described what you wanted changed.

Language needs a bit of cleanup, but overall very short and concise and informative article. Also, there are lot of references to the company, which is nice to see in a first article. I wish other articles cited 3rd party references this way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.144.5 (talk) 17:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice article. Found it more useful than their homepage! I wish there were a category for different companies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.75.89 (talk) 05:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ocarina is well-known in the enterprise storage industry as the creators of a novel approach to compression. Even without any more success, the company would be notable for this new data reduction concept. But they have been covered and mentioned dozens, perhaps hundreds of times in the industry, have won awards, and have many clients. They're definitely notable! --SFoskett (talk) 13:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

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The article is currently written like an advertisement with insufficient reliable sources. (The 10:1 claim seems especially suspect and likely artificial. I recall their tests showing nothing even close to this, although nearly any compressor has a subset of data which it can compress by this ratio.)  Hopefully it can be brought within Wikipedia guidelines. It would also be good to update the article. Right now a reader might suspect that the company launched its product in April 2008, then disappeared in the intervening 17 months (as Silicon Valley companies tend to do). Calbaer (talk) 19:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, it's written like an advertisement in that many of the claims are unsourced, POV, and not written in an encyclopedic fashion. For example:
 * "The company was lauded by industry analysts and observers for its innovative optimization technology.[citation needed]" (Needs citation, "lauded" and "innovative" shouldn't be used here)
 * "Using a patented extraction/compression technique called the ECOsystem -- for "Extract," "Correlate," "Optimize" -- the Ocarina Appliance/Reader offers 10:1 compression on the types of files that are driving the explosion of digital content." (Really needs citation, sounds like something written by a marketing or sales representative)
 * I could provide more, but hopefully this gives an idea of what's wrong with the tone of the article. In additional, claims have to be backed with reliable source material.  "The Ocarina Appliance/Reader offers 10:1 compression" would need a third-party reliable source that found this result.  "Ocarina claims 10:1 compression" would require a third-party reliable source that this claim was at least made.  This information should be out there (assuming Ocarina ever publicly made the claim in the first place). Calbaer (talk) 18:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

You sound like someone that has a particular dislike for the company. Were you fired by them? :)

Anyway, why don't you spend time fixing the article instead of berating? Or do you just want to point out problems and not fix them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.19.81.60 (talk) 23:53, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * IP 209.19.81.60: if your logic is correct, then a lot of Wikipedia editors were fired many times, by hundreds of companies around the world.


 * And may be the right way to fix the article is to delete the whole thing. It's more like an ad. than an encyclopedia article. Raysonho (talk) 04:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think it's clear that it's not the company that I'm critical of, it's the article about them.  If I had been fired by the company, I'd be embarrassed to have a company I was involved with represented in this way on Wikipedia, for the reasons described above.  If I wanted to be brutal, I would have eliminated all but the few NPOV sentences for which I could find reliable sources in a reasonable amount of time; it's not my responsibility do hours of research to fix what other people have done wrong here.  I suppose if no one tries to fix the article in the coming weeks, I'll cut it down to the NPOV content, but it would be a shame to do so if someone else can fix what's here rather than removing it.  I attempted to contact the user who added this material, but that user seems to have abandoned the account.  I do not want to berate anyone, but when a contributor asks how this is written like an advertisement, I don't think it's unreasonable to answer.  If finding flaws with the article sound to 209.19.81.60 like finding flaws in the company, then I'd wonder about the relationship between this anonymous contributor and the company, and why the contributor would choose to make personal insinuations instead of taking measures to fix the article that so concerns him or her. Calbaer (talk) 04:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe the following text is less advert-like and takes out some of the unsupported claims, while leaving the important information intact. I'll leave it here for a while, and, if there are no additions/subtractions/objections, I'll replace the main text with this. As usual, anyone is free to modify the text even after I post it. However, since a simple reversion would be counterproductive, I hope anyone with significant constructive input can contribute it here:


 * Ocarina Networks is a technology startup company selling a hardware/software solution designed to reduce data footprints with file-aware storage optimization. Their flagship product, the Ocarina Appliance/Reader, released in April 2008, uses patented data compression techniques incorporating such methods as record linkage and context-based lossless data compression. The product includes the hardware-appliance-based compressor, the Ocarina Optimizer, and a real-time decompressor, the software-based Ocarina Reader.
 * Since its launch, the company has signed major customers in such industry sectors as online photo sharing, social networking, movie studios, oil and gas, and medical imaging. Its customers include Kodak, Photoways Group (Europe's largest photo sharing site), and others.  It has partnerships with many storage manufacturers which utilize its compression technology to manage their data storage needs.
 * == History ==
 * Ocarina was founded by Murli Thirumale, formerly a vice-president and general manager at Citrix Systems; Carter George, formerly a vice-president and co-founder of PolyServe (acquired by HP); and Goutham Rao, formerly Chief Technical Officer and Chief Architect for Advanced Solutions Group of Citrix Systems. Its solution works by identifying redundancy at a global file system level, and applying specific algorithms for different data formats, such as algorithms specific to images, text, executables, seismic data, and so forth.   Ocarina's Optimizer 4400 optimizes file systems over network attached storage protocols such as NFS, CIFS and WebDAV.
 * Members of the company's technical advisory board include Bill Joy and Matt Mahoney.
 * == Funding ==
 * In 2007, Ocarina Networks secured $12M in series 'A' funding from Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Highland Capital Partners, and JAFCO Ventures.
 * Members of the company's technical advisory board include Bill Joy and Matt Mahoney.
 * == Funding ==
 * In 2007, Ocarina Networks secured $12M in series 'A' funding from Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Highland Capital Partners, and JAFCO Ventures.
 * In 2007, Ocarina Networks secured $12M in series 'A' funding from Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Highland Capital Partners, and JAFCO Ventures.

Calbaer (talk) 07:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The current version is a lot better, but it would still be nice if it linked to the precise material off of which it was sourced. Calbaer (talk) 08:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)