Talk:Occitan language

Oil/Oc/Si
If this is Langues d'oc and the other is Langues d'oïl, what is Langues de si ? 76.66.193.119 (talk)
 * Spanish, Italian, etc. --Jotamar (talk) 13:44, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there an article about it? 76.66.193.119 (talk) 09:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There is only one "Lenga d'Òc" and not several "Lengas (sic) d'Òc". Please read this section. The name "Language of sì" only refers to Italian. This way of naming and comparing three languages ("language of oc", "language of oil", "language of si") was developped especially in Dante's De Vulgari Eloquentia (1304).--Nil Blau (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Except that there was no language called "Italian" in Dante's day. There were a variety of Romance dialects spoken in Italy. Funnyhat (talk) 23:53, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Table of linguistic comparisons
Comparison with other Romance languages Common words in Romance languages, with English (a Germanic language) for reference Latin	Occitan (including main regional varieties)	Catalan	French	Ladin (Nones)	Lombard	Italian	Spanish	Portuguese	Sardinian	Romanian	English cantare	cantar (chantar)	cantar	chanter	ciantar	cantà	cantare	cantar	cantar	cantare	cânta	'(to) sing' capram	cabra (chabra, craba)	cabra	chèvre	ciaura	cavra	capra	cabra	cabra	craba	capră	'goat' clavem	clau	clau	clé	clau	ciav	chiave	llave	chave	crae	cheie	'key' ecclesiam, basilicam	glèisa	església	église	glesia	giesa	chiesa	iglesia	igreja	gresia	biserică	'church' formaticvm (Vulgar Latin), casevm	formatge (hormatge)	formatge	fromage	formai	furmai/furmagg	formaggio/cacio	queso	queijo	casu	caş	'cheese' lingvam	lenga (lengua)	llengua	langue	lenga	lengua	lingua	lengua	língua	limba	limbă	'tongue, language' noctem	nuèch (nuèit)	nit	nuit	not	nocc	notte	noche	noite	nothe	noapte	'night' plateam	plaça	plaça	place	plaza	piasa	piazza/platea	plaza	praça	pratza	piaţă[59]	'square, plaza' pontem	pont (pònt)	pont	pont	pònt	punt	ponte	puente	ponte	ponte	punte	'bridge'

Is there any particular reason why the Latin nouns are always in the accusative case? Is this to do with vulgar Latin adaptations?. I think it should be noted in the article as well. Alexandre8 (talk) 19:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Virgin Mary Statue Pic
Shouldn't this be turned through 90deg so the Virgin Mary's head is at the yop of the pic? Gonetofrance (talk) 09:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC) Gonetofrance 5th Dec 2011

Langues d'oc and catalan
Langues d'oc, d'oil and de si represent a comparison of Latin languages based on their words for yes. Langues d'oil has its own article, but langues d'oc redirects here. Langues de si or something similar doesn't have an article anywhere (which would include for example, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish).

Obviously this isn't the system used by modern linguists to classify romance languages, but it's given a certain legitimacy by having langues d'oc redirect here.
 * Langues d'oc is an invention of an obscure medievist scholar (Jean-Claude Rivière), compromised in helping a revisionnist "historian" (Henri Roques) around 1975. Dante Alighieri coined the words lingua de hoc, lingua de oïl and lingua de si to denominate Occitan (or Langue d'Oc, singular as written by Honnorat and Mistral), French, and Italian (not Spanish or any other: Dante wanted to push Italian as the literary language against Occitan and French). So langues d'oc has no legitimacy. --— J. F. B. (me´n parlar) 20:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

We then end up with a rather absurd situation where and article that talks about how oil languages (primarily french) can be distinguished from oc languages (which then links here) by their word for yes. Then you have an article that halfway down talks as though Catalan and Occitan are arguably one and the same. But Catalan for yes is si, and not oc. Wouldn't that make Catalan a langue de si?

Again, this system based on yes is obviously archaic, and whether Catalan is "ibero-romance" "gallo-romance" is contentious in itself. But the current situation is rather strange. Perhaps there should be a separate article discussing the oil, oc, si, classification, and then have references to "langues d'oc" redirect there, rather than here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.35.41 (talk) 16:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "ibero-romance" and "gallo-romance" are very linked to nation-state linguistic nationalism of France and Spain. Modern scholars as P. Bec use occitano-romance to group Occitan and Catalan. --— J. F. B. (me´n parlar) 20:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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New 2020 study of Occitan language L1 speakers
A new study conducted on behalf of the Office for Occitan in Nouvelle-Aquitaine, Occitania and Spain's Val d'Aran has found that 7% of the population in both French regions (combined population 7.74m) and 62% in the latter (8,000) declare themselves to be Occitan speakers, which would give an L1 population of approximately 540,000. That figure excludes any Occitan speakers in Provence, which wasn't included in the survey. Culloty82 (talk) 20:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Colors of the second map
The choice of colors for the second map could not be worse. They should contrast as much as possible rather than all be shades of violet or purple. No one is going to take the trouble of trying to match a color on the map with a color in the key.S. Valkemirer (talk) 13:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Māori translation
There's a Māori translation of this page which needs to be linked: https://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reo_Occitan Thomas Norren (talk) 08:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Largoplazo (talk) 10:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

“minimal Celtic influence”
“Occitan dialects are a result of the Latin influence on the language of the southern Gauls“, it is called Gallo-Romance because of this.

 1arkspur (talk) 00:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

"Occitan words and their French, Catalan and Spanish cognates" table
This table needs clarification about which Occitan dialect is being referenced. In which dialect is the word for "house" maison and in which is it casa? It's not clear at the moment. Both are just labeled as "Occitan". 2600:1702:6D0:5160:4DD7:4281:96BE:A259 (talk) 18:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Presence in Monaco
While still official language, there are reports that there are no more speakers.

"In Monaco, the neighborhoods in the lower area had been historically Occitan-speaking, but the language has now been completely replaced by French and others."

 HYTEN CREW (talk) 17:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)