Talk:Occupied

Add an Episode Guide
An Episode Guide like this should be added

Episodes
Nakamuradavid (talk) 07:15, 22 April 2016 (UTC) --

Requested move 31 January 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved as requested. There was consensus to move the page; the support for the target was split between Occupied and Occupied (TV series), but Occupied had been a stable redirect to this page for ten months, so this is not a case of usurpation as suggested below. I have added a hatnote to this page for Military occupation; improvement of the wording would be welcome. Dekimasu よ! 17:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Okkupert → Occupied – Although the current title Okkupert was appropriate when this article was first created and there was no distribution in English language countries, and thus very little if any English language coverage then, all that has changed. Per WP:COMMONNAME this (awesome) Norwegian thriller series is now most commonly referred to as Occupied in reliable English language sources, and this has been the case for several years: Netflix, NY Times, Slate.com, Rotten Tomatoes, wapo, Vanity Fair. I should note that IMDB uses Okkupert, but it's an outlier among English language sources. Occupied already redirects here, so there is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC issue. В²C ☎ 00:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC). --Relisting.  SITH   (talk)   11:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. —  AjaxSmack  03:19, 31 January 2019 (UTC); Oppose a move to Occupied (TV series)/redirect of "occupied" per WP:NOTDICT. —  AjaxSmack  02:11, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. — Outback the koala (talk) 03:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. 94.21.204.175 (talk) 10:07, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and WP:USEENGLISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support alternate move to Occupied (TV series) and redirect Occupied to Occupation per WP:ASTONISH (or just make it into a disambiguation page as it was in 2016 before being changed to a redirect).ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Support ZXCVBNM move WP:SURPRISE! This would be a usurpation of the common English word which I would take to mean military occupation. Ribbet32 (talk) 01:20, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Support ZXCVBNM's proposal only. Srnec (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Relisting note: it's clear a move is supported, just which one remains the question.   SITH   (talk)   11:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Comments on questionable assertions in the plot description of Occupied season 1
The recent text of this article (read 2019-07-14) claims that Jesper Berg, the Prime Minister, is the leader of the Norwegian Green Party. Although one can easily be deluded to suppose this, no party name is ever mentioned in the series. In the visual/musical intro of each episode, there is a short glimpse of a campaign poster with Mr. Bergs portrait and also the text "Nytt flertall - Ny Kraft" (ENG: New majority - New Power). This can be interpreted either as an election slogan or the actual party name (i.e. Ny Kraft). My guess is the latter; if you look really close you'll catch a sight of a domain name at the bottom of the poster, probably spelling "www.nykraft.no" (although somewhat blurry).

Interesting enough, Jesper Berg says "the Russians perceived my social democratic belief as cowardice" (my translation from Norwegian) in a discussion with his former env. minister (S1.E8 at 25.20). This, however, doesn't necessarily means he is/was a Social Democrat; it could also be seen as a more general ideological statement.

In either case, the party that forms the government is an entirely fictious one (hey, it's a TV-series!) Thus, the article is directly misleading when it links to the existing Green Party of Norway, so I strongly recommend this to be changed.

Note: I have no affiliation whatsoever with any political party, neither in Norway nor in Sweden (I am Swedish). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enskede (talk • contribs) 23:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I freely admit that they aren't clear of the name of the party in the show. In one episode, Berg says his party is "a green party". Very imprecise. Plus no official descriptions say it was the Green Party of Norway, and I haven't found anyone from the show saying it is that specific party. However, multiple sources have opted to identify Berg's party as the Green Party:
 * https://www.vogue.com/article/netflix-occupied-erik-skjoldbjaerg-homeland
 * https://slate.com/technology/2016/02/occupied-a-political-thriller-on-climate-change-now-on-netflix-reviewed.html
 * https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/10/01/norwegian-tv-series-occupied-hints-at-u-s-leaving-nato-and-russia-invading/#4b72baaa771e
 * https://www.filmneweurope.com/news/lithuania-news/item/118016-norwegian-tv-series-occupied-films-in-lithuania
 * https://www.wsj.com/articles/green-politics-and-global-instability-11548201074
 * Others use the more abstract term "Green party" (note "party" isn't capitalized):
 * https://www.politico.eu/article/occupied-norwegian-tv-series-thats-enraged-the-kremlin-norway-russia-occupation/
 * https://www.nytimes.com/watching/recommendations/occupied


 * I am open to compromise by saying that certain outlets have presumed Berg's party to be the Norwegian Green Party. Image2012 (talk) 13:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

season 3
Hope someone will do a writeup of this new season. Tvoz / talk 01:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Major Spoilers in Cast Section
The cast section should not include Season 3 spoilers for cast members who appear in Season 1 (e.g., it says that Veslemøy Mørkrid plays "Ingrid Bø, a PST officer, killed by a car bomb in season 3"). The cast section should be intentionally vague and big-picture to prevent spoilers. The same is true for the following cast members: 1. "Henrik Mestad as Jesper Berg, the environmentalist Prime Minister of Norway, later leader of Free Norway" should not have ", later leader of Free Norway" 2. "Eldar Skar as Hans Martin Djupvik, a member of the Norwegian Police Security Service and Berg's bodyguard, later a Russian agent, and then chief of the PST" should not have anything after "Berg's bodyguard." 3. "Ane Dahl Torp as Bente Norum, a restaurant owner, married to (and later widow of) Thomas Eriksen" should not mention Eriksen's death, as that is a huge season 1 spoiler. 4. "Janne Heltberg as Anita Rygh, political advisor to Prime Minister Berg, later Prime Minister of Norway" arguably should not mention "later Prime Minister of Norway." This one is a little tricky, because the character rises in relevance with the PM slot. 5. "Ragnhild Gudbrandsen as Wenche Arnesen, the chief of the PST, later member of Free Norway" should not mention "later a member of Free Norway," as that is character development over time.


 * Please see Spoiler. Valid content should not be suppressed to avoid spoilers. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)