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Removal of paragraphs on Uppsala 2 Aug 2007
Just to explain why I removed the two long paragraphs on Uppsala.

This is an article on ocean rowing in general, with references to the races that form the backbone of the sport, and brief references to key individuals and rows. The level of (unreferenced) detail in the two Uppsala paragraphs was inappropriate. For that level of detail, start a new article altogether on the Uppsala crossing, and put a link there from the ocean rowing article.

However, comments like 'The most famous Atlantic crossing in modern day style' are pretty wild claims. I am an avid ocean rowing fan and have been involved in several races, and I do not consider this to be anywhere near the most famous crossing. Comments like this need to be substantiated.

It was clearly an interesting crossing, but give it a seperate article and put down references and source material. If it is famous, put links to newspaper articles and news reports to substantiate it's fame.

Other advice:

1. You haven't even put the date of the crossing. When you rewrite this as a seperate article with references, make sure you include basic information like that.

2. You make reference to events such as having to handpump water as though this were unique. Many crossing have had watermaker problems and had to hand pump water. Soem boats have set out with only a handpump.

3. Many of the 'hardships' listed have been experienced by other rowers (storms, lack of food and water, jellyfish stings, shark attacks, damaged hulls, storms, man overboard...). These do not make this crossing a uniquely famous one.

4. You refer to 3 unofficiial Guinness Records. Firstly - what are they? I am very interested. Secondly, if they are unofficial, then they are not Guinness Records. You should refer to them as unofficial World Records. Hope all this helps.

5. You write: "At one point the had to work for 3 weeks before going back to sleap". I don;t understand - are you saying they stayed awake for 3 weeks without sleeping?

6. You write: "The voyage has been called the "worst successful ocean crossing in modern day"". Who has called it this? Please put references.

I'm not trying to be negative, only trying to help.

Good luck Wikifellow 07:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Two Eras?
Just questioning 'The first 12 ocean rows are considered "Historic Ocean rows" within the sport'.

Is this a widely held belief? In Colin Quincey's book he details the twelve ocean crossings that went before him, the last being Quesnel's crossing in December 1976. Quincey's attempt, the 13th deliberate crossing by his count, was underway two months later. As far as technology goes, Quincey had a solar panel, emergency radio bleeper, emergency radio telephone and transistor radio. He navigated using astro-fixes and a sextant. -SmokeySteve (talk) 07:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Re. Two Eras
The concept of the two eras is quite widely accepted among ocean rowing circles.

The Ocean Rowing Society say:

"The first 12 completed oceanrows were all undertaken without water makers, without sat phones, without GPS, EPIRB and liferafts. In fact, to quote Geoff Allum : "The first oceanrows were done under conditions that were not much different from the days of Columbus"

If I find the time to find this actual quote from the ORS website, I'll include it in the article and refernece it. Anyone else is welcome to do so.

Wikifellow (talk) 20:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Tasman Sea crossings
Thanks for the reference Wikifellow.

Do you and others think the Tasman sea crossings can be included on the Ocean Rowing page? Obviously crossing the Tasman (about 2200km) is only partly crossing the Pacific Ocean, I guess this is why it has been left off the Ocean Rowing Society's list. On the other hand, the same is true of USA to Hawaii (albeit twice as far) and these crossings have been included. -SmokeySteve (talk) 07:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Captain Roamer (real name) before WW2 ??
I remember reading decades ago of a German naval officer (Kapitän) called Roamer (meaningless name in German), who before World War 2 had rowed successfully from somewhere in Europe to somewhere in the Caribbean, then vanished en route to the US. No trace on the mighty web. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.33.96.129 (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Prehistoric
Oceans were rowed before they were sailed. How about a link to some pre-historical rowing and to reenactments to contrast with the sport. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

It is a good point. Records often point "first recorded" as there is no way to prove that it has not been done before. In most of the cases though, even if the majority of the distance was rowed, there was at least some wind propulsion involved intentionally. Intoextreme (talk)

Unassisted?
How does Roz Savage's Pacific row count as unassisted? It was done in three legs, over three years, with restocking and flights to and from the UK and USA in between. In addition, I believe she rendzvoused with another boat crossing at the same time to take on water, which I think counts as 'assistance' in these enterprises. 194.39.218.10 (talk) 09:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Today assisted vs non assisted is being redefined constantly. Explorers on the land consider radio communication to be one of the forms of assistance. Therefore gradually the reference to assisted vs non-assisted will be dropped. Supported vs non-supported is the most relevant these days. Her average speed would be miserable due to 3 years lasting row. Intoextreme (talk)

John Beeden
On December 26, 2015, British-born Canadian, John Beeden, 53, became the first person to successfully row non-stop, unassisted from North America to Australia covering 7400 nautical miles in 209 days. John previously completed a non-stop, solo Atlantic crossing in 2011 following open heart surgery.

Should read

On December 26, 2015, British-born Canadian resident, John Beeden, 53, became the first person to successfully row solo, non-stop, from North America to Australia covering 7400 nautical miles in 209 days. John previously completed a non-stop, solo Atlantic crossing in 2011 following open heart surgery.

The unassisted claim doesn't apply as I had to take a resupply of food close to Vanuatu do to weather delays causing me to be at sea a month longer than originally provisioned for. Incidentally, in Peter Birds crossing he also took a resupply.

The perception of the assistance changes with time as the technology develops and the level of the difficulty drops. Samuelsen and Harbo were assisted several times for example as long as nowadays perception of assistance goes. Intoextreme (talk)

question to user: Life's journey
Hello --Life's journey (talk) I see you are a new user and I would like to understand what is the reason for your repetitive removal of the following information?:

"....Captain Fiann Paul and Carlo Facchino aimed to continue to Iceland, an additional 350 nautical miles, but the new crew members decided to quit in Jan Mayen

Fiann organized Team Polar Row III (Fiann Paul, Carlo Facchino, James Plumley, Arnar Már Árnason, Gísli Hjartarson, Yngvi Yngvason) and attempted to have 4 new rowers transported to Jan Mayen by a private plane from Iceland. but the airplane didn't receive the landing permit due to military restrictions in Jan Mayen. After multiple attempts of trying to solve the logistics of replacing the rowers who decided not to continue, Fiann declared the expedition finished in Jan Mayen. Polar Row II broke 3 Guinness World Records, and Fiann Paul and Carlo Facchino became the first people to row the Arctic Ocean both directions."

I would like to inform you that repetitive removal of well sourced content is considered vandalism. But it may be a misunderstanding. --Svedlundp (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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