Talk:Odisha/Archive 1

purionline
Hey dude, I am adding purionline.com to the orissa page because there are some informations which are required for Orissa and which can be collected from Purionline.com, but i dont understand what makes you delete the links every time???/

well let me explain you something about the website, it has all these phase related to Orissa Oriya Entertainment http//www.purionline.com/entertainment Orissa News http://news.purionline.com (which the site is even going launch a Live video news on Orissa too) Orissa Classmate service over here http://www.purionline.com/classmates Orissa Chat service http://www.purionline.com/chat and also recently planning up to start the Orissa Wikipedia too over here http://orissawiki.purionline.com

But I dont understand what makes you delete only the purionline.com links when there are other links available at the topic.

Dont you think these all links are important for orissa or for the viewers of Orissa

and for your information its the users who make purionline.com as the most visited website of Orissa over here http://www.alexa.com/browse?&CategoryID=53736 and its only you, who is not interested on the website, but I dont find any reason.


 * First of all, I NEVER deleted your purionline link - I merely said that I would later on. I think that you got it confused with someone else.


 * Second, I do not think it is appropriate in an encyclopedia entry. If you want a third party opinion, or go to the administration, I am sure, the decision will be to delete it. Orissa news, or classmate service does NOT provide encyclopedia level information about Orissa.
 * But since you created an entire article on Purionline which was deleted later on by someone, for which you were delivered a warning, I am assuming you have personal interests in the purionline link.


 * Third, you added other links that were not in the correct format, making the article look worse than it already is. Which is why I reverted it. In any case, all the junk will be removed by me from the Orissa article whenever I have the time to work on it.


 * Fourth, please do sign your message in the talk page. Just four tildes would suffice.


 * {PS: Since you left an identical message in my talk pages, I'm assuming the "Hey Dude" is addressed to me.)


 * Regards,


 * SDas 13:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Moving material
A lot of material has to be moved to the relevant sub or relevant pages like life and culture. Cities etc.

Aamrun 18:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)aamrun 26th March 0005 hrs IST


 * Agreed. I did move some of the junk into other places, creating a few new articles in the process, that need to be wikified. I will try to improve this article gradually.


 * THe huge number of "contributors" who do nothing else but add spam pertaining to their college or district etc., must somehow be controlled. I suggest not to hesitate to warn such spammers right away. SDas 06:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Edits by 221.134.26.35
This person had added to the section on education:

"The New Life Education Trust with its headquarters located at Matrubhaban, Sri Aurobindo Marg, Cuttack, oversees a chain of 429 Sri Aurobindo Integral Education Centres in the state. Most of these secondary schools are in rural areas set up with local initiative. Babaji Sri Ramakrishna Das and Prapatti, Kangali Charan Pati were the dominant inspiration. "

We are not talking about religious jumbo-mumbo but genuine centers of higher learning such as universities. To go to the extent of adding an entire paragraph on some obscure "New Life Education Trust" is beyond ridiculous!

SDas 17:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Notable Schools
Ths list is getting ridiculous. What makes one school "notable" and another not? The absence of any criteria will cause the list to grow and grow. I suggest that that section be deleted.

SDas 07:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Edits by Visnu
I had to modify Visnu's edits. The word "scheduled tribes" has been replaced with an internationally recognizable word "indigenous people", as well as the local/historical word for it ("Adivasi") which has the same meaning. Please refrain from using words that are intelligible to those aware of Indian constitutional jargon only. Besides, the word "tribe" has a negative connotation in international circles.

Furthermore, the laments about environmental degradation have been toned down a little bit. While environmental concerns are good, it is good to present both sides of the state's industrialization and to follow a manner similar to what the mainstream media usually reports!

68.102.214.231 05:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)SD

Previous edits
The "Hi-Tec" medical school was highlighted for advertisement only. I removed that. Please refrain from highlighting some items just for promoting your own institution.

I did some major changes. There were numerous typographic errors and portions of the article were written in terrible English. The reference to "Lord" Jagganatha obviously written by a devotee was inappropriate for a non-religious encyclopedia.

I'm doing a little cleaning up in this article. I've removed some random links to various corporations; they don't tell much about the state. I also removed this section:
 * Maa Charchika's Mandir is situated on Ruchika parbat near the Renuka river.
 * It is considered as one of the most beautiful places of Orissa, where religion and nature intermix with each. It is situated in a place called Banki which is 52KMs away from Orissa's business capital Cuttack and 60 km from political capital Bhubaneswar. Another important picnic spot is Sunadei temple on the bank of river Mahanadi. During winter season many migratory birds visit mahanadi - which is in its largest width near the Sunadei Temple.

I can't find any mention of this online except in Wikipedia mirrors; a couple of detailed travel guidebooks don't mention it either. If it is indeed notable, maybe it's better in a separate article. CDC  (talk)  04:08, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

There are so many important people in a state like Orissa - living or dead. The list should be commensurate and proportionate. Who can sit Ramchandra Rath in the class with others listed. Though Mr Rath was known during his youth days. Similarly in the class of colleges SCS college was added. sum

Edits by 61.246.47.201 (talk) (contributions)
His/her only edits (other than some clear vandalism of Open Directory Project) are to this category and cities therein (Puri and Bhubaneswar)), adding references to a specific web site. I don't know enough about the area to tell if they're also vandalism.  Arthur Rubin | (talk) 15:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

orrisa in native script
can someone add the state name in the oriya script?

Pizzadeliveryboy 14:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Orissadiary and other linkfarmage
Please do not use wikipedia as a linkfarm, e.g. to orissadiary.com. --Improv 21:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I would hate to need to do so, but I am considering semi-protecting this page for a time to see if I can get the linkfarmers to go away. Does anyone have thoughts on this? They seem completely unwilling/unable to leave comments or discuss their edits. --Improv 18:00, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I have semiprotected the page for 48 hours. --Improv 06:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Lifted. --Improv 14:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Rourkela Steel Plant
Can somebody add information about Rourkela Steel Plant to this article? It is quite famous in India, so the state in which it is in should have some information about it. &mdash;vedant (talk • contribs) 09:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Implications of "still spoken" (re indigenous languages)
I'm wondering what the implications (intended or not) are of saying that languages are "still spoken" by a people. This turn of phrase seems either to carry an expectation that the state of affairs described is or should be impermanent, or to describe a situation where one might have expected otherwise (e.g., when an effort is made to wipe out a language but it is still spoken anyway). This is only to suggest that in most general contexts it is not necessary to say "still" spoken. So, in the Culture section a sentence where this was used might be revised thus: "A few tribal languages belonging to the Dravidian and Munda language families are still spoken by the Adivasis (original inhabitants) of the state." Or else the context could be explained more fully (such as popular culture, government and education emphasizing majority languages, etc.?) --A12n 00:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So, what about something like "... as of 20NN the XXXXX adivasi language was spoken by NN% members of the tribal population." (and then reference to the notable source from which the statistic came). This would provide an encyclopedic timestamp to the state of the situation. Thing to keep in mind... these languages are disappearing, so if it's a matter of the implication being made in the wording (weasel words?), then perhaps the point should be made directly in the "culture" section introductory paragraph, again sourced as well. Using the word "still" is, I think, accurately reflective of how remarkable it is that the cultural heritage of language is at all preserved right now, especially amongst smaller tribal groups. While there is currently no official or specific effort that I know of to eliminate tribal dialects, it is well known (but not sourced here!!) that the native languages of small ethnic groups are vanishing world-wide. I believe it is in the atmosphere of this context that the author of that statement used the word "still". It is obvious to someone who was raised in Orissa and has watched it change over the years, but still requires context and proper citation to be informative to a world readership, and to avoid cultural bias. -- 65.112.197.16 (talk) 18:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

translators needed at WikiProject India/Translation
WikiProject India/Translation Please add your name under translators--D-Boy 13:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Schools, Universities, Colleges et al
The list of institutes was becoming cumbersome, and also the focus of numerous edits. I have created a new list and put in a See Also in the Education section of this article. Seems to be the general practice on other similar articles pages anyway. Sdsouza 12:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed the following. It describes something which is not built yet and that too in hyperbole. seems inappropriate
 * Orissa is home to many colleges and universities, deemed and otherwise. India's first and only world class multidisciplinary university, Vedanta University will be built along the lines of major educational institutions of the world, such as Stanford and Harvard at the cost of US $3 billion.[citation needed] It will have 100,000 students and employ 20,000 faculty members, making it one of the largest universities in the world.

List of Districts
Dear friends, is it really requird to add list of districts. it's already available in the link at the top right block. which is the most general format for all states. someone has added "Kalapathar" as one of the districts of orissa, which should be deleted.

Fair use rationale for Image:OrissaSeal.gif
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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Odisha
The name of Orissa has been changed to Odisha and Oriya to Odia.....the bill about it was passed in Orissian Law house(as per news reports) I recoment to change this page's title(please inform me if any changes were made) --JPF (talk) 10:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The article currently uses both "Orissa" and "Odisha" (and other variants for the language) without any explanation. It would be useful to have the history of these terms in the intro, and to regularize the usage in the rest of the article. Elphion (talk) 15:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Since 'Odisha' has not become a common word in day to day language, we should continue with 'Orissa' till that time. Please don't move this page to 'Orissa' without establishing consensus. 24.130.53.247 (talk) 05:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC) [update: sign]



Although it has not become odisha in day to day language, wikipedia is not a place to call it by its previous name. Even I agree with you that the name change is pointless, but wikipedia works on verifuiable sources only. And if a verifiable source says that the name has changed, the name should be spelt as odisha only Pleasantfartsa (talk) 08:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Orissa is still the official name. Odisha is not passed by the Indian Parliament and Govt of India. Also official state website still uses Orissa. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Religious Violence
The section should stay. Please see Gujarat article. It too carries info about violence against minorities. An Ostrich like approach doesn't change the truth. In my opinion it shouldn't even be called Sectarian violence. It should be called Religious Violence/Pogrom. Thoughts? ChiragPatnaik (talk) 07:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The section should stay. It is well referenced, current, specific to Orissa, and relevant.Sandwich Eater (talk) 02:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * REcentism, and undue.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model ) 02:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

There is a fairly long history of religious and caste conflict in the Orissa. It should stay. That's two editors for and only one opposed. Sandwich Eater (talk) 02:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

There are clearly editors involved with this page that want to 'cover up' extensively documented history and evidence of Orissa's pogroms. The section should stay and three editors support it now, to one opposed. Bilbo of Andover (talk) 11:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Consensus doesn't override policy and WP:UNDUE (WP:RECENT is simple an application of it) is a Wiki policy. Also voting is generally discouraged and sockpuppeting never helps your cause. GizzaDiscuss  &#169; 06:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Listen, I am not sock puppeting and the resistance to the consensus on this page is starting to look downright weird. Here is a quote from WP:Undue:

rom Jimbo Wales, paraphrased from this post from September 2003 on the WikiEN-l mailing list:


 * If a viewpoint is in the majority, then it should be easy to substantiate it with reference to commonly accepted reference texts;
 * If a viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents;
 * If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it does not belong in Wikipedia regardless of whether it is true or not and regardless of whether you can prove it or not, except perhaps in some ancillary article.

The viewpoint regarding the violence in Orissa is well substantiated as historical and current fact as part caste-warfare and part sectarian religious conflict. A majority of editors have supported the inclusion of the section. There are *2* more IP addresses that have nothing to do with mine that you now seem to be claiming are sock puppets. Is it possible that a plurality of wikipedians feel this is relevant to the article? I am going to request additional opinions on this. Sandwich Eater (talk) 01:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Jimbo means opinions of experts who are writing books, not ordinary Wiki people who vote on whether content is RS etc or whatever.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! ) 01:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

It says all over the content dispute resolution form to seek third opinions. There are multiple editors here that think the violence should be mentioned. Why don't you propose a reference to the violence that would fit into the historical context you desire for the article rather than insisting on sweeping it under the carpet? Sandwich Eater (talk) 01:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I have requested a third opinion from an established editor whom you cannot accuse of being a sock puppet and who does not have a biased view regarding India or the state of Orissa. Sandwich Eater (talk) 02:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Too much recentism to even merit a mention in this article. I'd be content with a see also link to Religious violence in Orissa, though. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 02:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm OK with a simple mention and link. But I do think that the 'recentism' crowd has been over zealous here. I would point to the Assam article. That article has a fairly detailed section on the insurgency that does get into current events, though only briefly. This page reads like it was written by the Orissa tourism agency. No religious or caste-oriented violence ever happened in Orissa, which is a bastion of nothing but Hindu faith, as the article reads now. The Assam article is in better keeping with wikipedia tradition. Those drawn to the encyclopedia should get a quick, easy reference to a more thorough read on the culture and history of the area and then links to in depth discussion of the issue.Sandwich Eater (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion
I am responding to a request for a third opinion. A see also link for Religious violence in Orissa should be more than sufficient. — Athaenara ✉  07:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The link is good, but there should probably be some mention in the History section. This is a very significant part of Orissa's history of the last few years.  One line in the religion section isn't enough, in my opinion. MamaGeek (talk/contrib) 12:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Avoid editing the links, which prevents the information,pictures & sounds from being displayed & heard on the page.
Kindly avoid editing the links to the map of odisha,seal of odisha,other pictures,websites,fonts & sounds present in the page from "Orissa" to "Odisha". This further prevents the Map, Seal, Websites, Fonts & other pictures of the state from being displayed & the sounds from being heard on the page as they have been uploaded and stored in the former name i.e. "Orissa". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zephyrmaten (talk • contribs) 12:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Odisha Martyr
I am trying to find the name of martyrs of Odisha in different wars. Please help to improve this article by including their names and contributions to the war.The text of the article is given belowThis article is about Martyr's of Odisha and the action involved with them, who fought for India in different wars spread across a time period of more than a century"The safety, honour and welfare of your country come first, always and every time. The honour, welfare and comfort of the men you command come next. Your own ease, comfort and safety come last, always and every time."- Field Marshal Philip Walhouse ChetwodeCommander-in-Chief, British Indian Army"A soldier dies twice, once his physical death and the second time when his own countrymen don't remember him" - Anonymous==World War I (1914-1918) World War II (1939-1945) Indo Pakistani War of 1947 Sino Indian War of 1962 Indo Pakistani War of 1965 Bangadesh Liberation War 1971 Kargil War 1999 Sergeant Raj Kishore Sahu 152 Helo Unit Sergeant Raj Kishore Sahu a Flight Engineer on board a Mi-17 helicopter was killed in  action on 28 May 99, when his helicopter was brought down over Indian territory by a surface to air missile. Raj Kishore Sahu was engaged in attacking ground targets in the Indian side of the line of control in Kashmir while attempting to dislodge intruders from the Indian side. He displayed the highest standard of professionalism in steadfastly carrying out his duties as ordered, in the face of intense enemy opposition during the attack mission. His cool and efficient functioning made possible the effective employment of the helicopter during the earlier attack. In doing so he made the supreme sacrifice for his country and we are proud of this brave and valiant soldier whose efforts would contribute in our evicting the infiltrators from Indian soil.Sgt Raj Kishore Sahu hailed from Cuttack in Orissa and joined the IAF on 03 Aug 89. He served in many Air Force stations across the length and breadth of India and has been posted in both Mi-8 and Mi-17 squadrons besides working on the technical maintenance team for MiG-27 aircraft at a forward fighter base in the eastern region. His father, Mr Krishna Chandra Sahu, survives him.Naik Sachidananda Mallick Mahar Regt Havildar G.R. Das Naik S.S. Patro 12 Mahar Sepoy/Driver G. Moharana Signalman M.R. Sahoo

Odisha or Orissa?
I need a clarification on whether the name of the state has been Officially changed to Odisha. Official implies that must carry an approval from the central government of India, and not merely a resolution by the legislature. See also discussions in the pages of Bangalore, Shimoga, and some other places in Karnataka where a similar situation prevails, with the state government changing the name, but is not yet approved by the Centre. MikeLynch (talk) 11:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * This Times of India article states that it has been approved by the Union Cabinet, but has yet to get the "Parliament's nod".--Joshua Issac (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It has been cleared by the Lok Sabha on 10 November 2010. Once the Rajya Sabha also clears it (a mere formality), the article and the contents of Category:Orissa can be moved to reflect the name change. utcursch | talk 08:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Very well. I guess The Rajya Sabha will clear it soon. But in many places throughout the article it mentions Odisha. But I guess it would be tiring to change it now and again later after the change is adopted. MikeLynch (talk) 07:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * After Rajya Sabha, the President has to sign it to officially amend the Constitution of India. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it still has to pass WP:GOOGLE/WP:COMMONNAME before name can be changed. Thoughts?  The Mi ke •Leave me a message! 15:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. Better to revisit a few months after it becomes official. I suspect it will pass the common name test fairly soon because it is not a well-known entity in the English speaking world. --rgpk (comment) 16:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)