Talk:Office of International Treasury Control

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The main thing this article lacks is a secondary source that explains the hoax. Right now the article is sourced by various Fiji news organizations expressing their confusion over what is going on. There are also a couple of incidental references in mainstream British newspapers. Without a real secondary source that describes the hoax, it is difficult to make the article meet WP guidelines. The reason for the lack of sources is that the hoax was not notable. I am surprised it survived a Deletion review.--Dcooper (talk) 12:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll answer this more fully later today when I've got more time, but for the record I'm concerned that you appear to be adding original research while claiming to be removing it. I don't think we have any sources that call the OITC fraudulent or a hoax or its principal as "not a real person". While that may be the case, adding unsourced statements to that effect is unwise both from the point of view of the prohibition on original research and also because it's potentially libelous. -- ChrisO (talk) 13:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not original research because the United Nations and Federal Reserve both stated that they had never heard of OITC, according to the Fiji Times links that are used in the article. Also, the statement regarding Keith Scott needs to be corrected since there are no sources to verify that he said anything or that he exists.  We have sources stating only that Fiji was trying to figure out if he exists.


 * However, the fact that you consider calling the organization fraudulent to be original research highlights the point I am making. There are not enough reliable sources to write this article.  It is a hoax as confirmed by the UN, but there is no secondary source describing the hoax.  Any statement in this article that suggests the OITC exists is not only unverifiable, but false and un-encylcopedic.


 * On an unrelated note, it appears that the OITC is connected to the site Abundant Hope, in which aliens (or angels?) communicate through the site's owner. At least, the two websites write to each other and about each other.  I just thought that was amusing.--Dcooper (talk) 14:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * In a further unrelated note, Wikipedia and Abundant Hope, must also be "connected" since they are now writing about each other!. This rebuttal article raises enough questions about this WP entry to warrant its deletion, if only it weren't so deliciously amusing and "truthy".--GJaxon


 * Also, with regards to my edit summary in which I said I was removing original research, I was referring to statements referenced with forum posts or audio files. Those statements were original research--Dcooper (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Domain Name Registration
http://www.whois.net/whois/unoitc.org

Registrar is GoDaddy.

Address given is a building in DC apparently owned by http://www.quinngillespie.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fionnmatthew (talk • contribs) 01:24, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

OITC and the UK
This page needs a section on the ongoing Lord James of Blackheath speech. CapnZapp (talk) 09:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Primary source for that story: Lords Hansard text for 1 Nov 201001 Nov 2010 (pt 0003). --129.215.149.97 (talk) 10:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I would agree that such a section would be both interesting and currently relevant, but unfortunately at the moment there is absolutely nothing to link the OITC with Lord Blackheath's mysterious 'Foundation X'. However, it is true that their modus operandi is remarkably similar, right down to the spurious claims of security clearance levels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.169.131.14 (talk) 11:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Lord James of Blackheath told ZDNet UK that 'Foundation X' is to his knowledge a viable organisation. Bloggers have speculated that 'Foundation X' was the "United Nations Office of International Treasury Control" (UNOITC). Lord James said he had not been approached by UNOITC and that no links exist between Foundation X and UNOITC. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/conservative-peer-lord-james-of-blackheath-i-wrote-off-more-than-1billion-of-ira-cash-14995248.html 158.169.131.14 (talk) 14:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hard facts
Article describes the OITC as an organization, but it doesn't appear to be incorporated or registered in any jurisdiction.

Keith Scott and Ray C Dam appear to be real people. See youtube video FqcItgMiZtY and

From their website, pretty obvious scammers. cagliost (talk) 13:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)