Talk:Office of Scientific Investigation and Research

This article was created to compliment the pre-existing wikipedia article on Christopher Chacon, which claimed that he was an operative of the OSIR.

The article was created by Jack-McLangley at 17:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Details about the 26/04/06 edit
I really think that the edit from 20/04/06 had some problems with NPOV. The agency is a conspiracy theory, not a fact, and I think it should be presented as such. I have added a criticisms section to help reinforce that the OSIR’s existence is not certain, I know it’s a bit short at the moment but I think it is needed to balance the article out.

1. Changed the start from The OSIR conducts sci investigations etc... to ''The OSIR is related to Men In Black conspiracy theories. It is claimed to conduct sci investigations etc...'' I think that stating it does conduct is too close to saying that the OSIR definitely exists when it may not.

I also replaced the passage from the earlier edit that mentions how the OSIR is not usually linked to supranational organisations, I think that this is an interesting piece of information and that it should be in the article.

2. Removed the sentence: with a strong emphasis on anomalous phenomena, because a) it didn’t flow with the previous sentence and b) the next sentence says: Sources almost always claim that the O.S.I.R. is an organization that exclusively explores anomalous phenomena. The same piece of information is being presented twice.

3. Removed the line that said: and could be linked to a variety of secret scientific government operations (including, Project Blue Book, Project Stargate, Area 51 operations, etc.)  The website quoted does not mention any of these connections and I could find no other sources that did, until a source can be found this is pure speculation.

4. Replaced the disclaimer: It should be noted that the very existence of this agency is disputed and uncertain. I feel that it is important that this is left in to keep the article NPOV, I think that without it the article seems too supportive of the OSIR’s existence.

5. I reverted the members section to an earlier edit. The exact same information is presented but from a more neutral POV

6. Media. Neither of the sources quoted mention any OSIR media coverage. (The first link takes you straight to the imdb front page...) Also there is no mention on the BBC, NBC, Fox etc... websites of the OSIR. (The BBC in particular does have large records of past news items on the web, if they had featured it during the past it would come up). The only "media" presence on the web is that of Dan Aykroyd’s The PSI factor. Nonetheless I have written that supporters of "OSIR existence" claim that there was media contact between 1990 and 2000.

7. I have removed the website reference: http://www.medals.org.uk/unosir/unosir-gm/background/creation-unosir.htm because, this website uses the OSIR as part of a (and I quote) role-playing campaign using AEG's 'Spycraft' RPG and is not intended to be a serious source of information about the OSIR.

=Removal of POV tripe= While there are those who might question if the group actually exists because of the extraordinary nature of their research and because of "PSI Factor", the TV series said to be based on the O.S.I.R.'s 'actual casefiles', the fact remains that the organization is very real and conducted a wide array of news/documentary interviews from 1990 through 2000, allowing news and media to gain a very tangible understanding of their elite professional scientific organization.

I turfed this and replaced it with something that resembles an NPOV entry. I have neither the time nor the inclination to give this whole article the NPOVing it needs.

Don't bother putting this back unless:
 * 1) you can document the "fact" that "remains" demonstrating the reality of this organisation;
 * 2) you can actually reference the "wide array" of news and documentary interviews.

And could someone without a life go over this article and NPOV it? It's ridiculous as it stands. --72.57.88.158 07:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The offical site of the so-called OSIR is registered to a Fazal Ali of India. The whois readout of the website shows that while they claim to be based in California, it is physically located in some part of India. This leads the entire truthfulness of these article and other such information as being a hoax. WilliamC24 16:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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See also Talk:Office of Scientific Investigation and Research (O.S.I.R.). -- RHaworth 16:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)