Talk:Oh My Darling, Clementine

Old Algerian version
datred from the 90's. "Raï" music style. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekbaba7iXbA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A16:C200:BC2D:9C87:81F6:4FF7 (talk) 14:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems to be a vietnamese song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P96Jmdyb-Pg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.21.9 (talk) 20:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Citation needed
Can someone please cite the information about the line edited out of children's books? Or at least find the lyrics with that line still included? (The wiki link to the lyrics at the bottom does not have these lyrics in it). Kiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.129.175.99 (talk) 23:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The first 2 results on google for "oh my darling clementine" after the wiki page both list a last verse with mention of the little sister. I'm not an editor, so someone else can bother finding reputable sources, but the verse does apparently exist. 99.236.75.53 (talk) 16:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Question
Several Internet sites say that there are people trying to sing a song about the Marine Corps that officially has a different tune to the tune of "Clementine" as well as singing "Clementine" to the official tune of the song that they're singing to that tune. Song's title?? Georgia guy 01:11, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

H. S. Thompson
Can someone with knowledge of this author start an article on him, or should wording be added such that nobody thinks this is vandalized to reference the "Fear and Loathing" author? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xtravar (talk • contribs) 19:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Authorship
In the pop culture section this song is attributed to "musician/mathematician Aaron B. Barnett" but I can find to record of this person on the internet, let alone linked to this song. I'm assuming this is vandalism and I'm going to delete it. CClio333 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

To Whom It May Concern
Clementine (song) goes to a stub page about what is likely a cover of this song. I think it should probably redirect here (as that is where I looked for this song in the first place) with a mention of the cover somewhere in this article. What do YOU (yes, you!) think? 138.69.160.1 21:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I question the statement that "Another theory is that the song is from the view of Clementine's father, and not a lover". The words make it clear that the narrator forgot his love when he kissed her sister. That cannot be the father, and can only be a lover of the girl. I suggest removing an unattributed and unlikely view.203.184.41.226 (talk) 08:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

African Roots?
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Museum-Mankind-Africa-1925-1948/dp/samples/B000005ZC7/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1 Or.. http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Museum-Mankind-Africa-1925-1948/dp/B000005ZC7/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpt/102-4765606-9668110

Track #25 is based on the exact same melody. Can anyone offer an explanation for this? Is there any evidence this song is based on an old African folk song? 75.72.153.44 (talk) 10:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or they may have gotten the melody from the American song. --86.146.162.73 (talk) 02:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The album you reference purports to have songs that were popular amongst African-Americans in the 1925-1948 time period. Clementine originated in the late 1800's, not in the 1925-1948 time period. It is not unreasonable to believe that African-Americans of that time period liked the tune and used it for their own purposes. This is not the origin; it is the continuation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.28.185 (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Clementine Nuclear Reactor


Los Alamos Canyon also has the distinction of being the site of the world’s first fast plutonium reactor. Such a reactor was proposed and approved in 1945 on the basis that it would provide a much-needed highintensity fission-neutron source and would be a means of exploring the adaptability of plutonium as a reactor fuel. The fact that a sufficient amount of plutonium was available at Los Alamos obviously influenced the selection of the fissile material. In a fast reactor controlled fission is achieved with high-energy, or fast, neutrons. Since no moderating material is necessary, the proposed reactor could be of small size. More important, with no moderator the neutrons in the core region would have a fission energy spectrum except for a small perturbation caused by inelastic scattering in the fuel and other heavy materials. High intensities of such neutrons were at that time unavailable at the Laboratory but were needed for nuclear research and for acquiring data needed by the bomb designers. In addition, operation of the reactor would supply information about fast reactors, such as ease of control and nuclear breeding properties, that would be relevant to their possible use as devices for production of power and fissile materials. The site chosen for the fast reactor was adjacent to the Water Boiler building. Construction began in August 1946 under the direction of Phillip Morrison. Near the time of first criticality a few months later, Morrison dubbed the reactor “Clementine,” a name borrowed from the song “My Darling Clementine,” which starts out “In a cavern, in a canyon,. . .“ and is about the legendary forty-niners. Morrison’s inspiration was that the reactor personnel were modern-day forty-niners inasmuch as 49 was the code name for plutonium (for Z = 9 4, A = 23 9 ). Clementine’s plutonium fuel was in the form of small rods clad in steel jackets (Fig. 5), around which mercury coolant flowed at the rate of approximately 9 liters per minute. The mercury flow was maintained by an ingenious pump that contained no moving parts. Surrounding the fuel vessel was a 6-inch-thick reflector of natural uranium, most of which was silver-plated to reduce corrosion. Immediately outside the uranium blanket were 6 inches of steel reflector and 4 inches of lead shielding. Reactor control was effected by the positioning of uranium rods, a positive reactivitycontrol method in contrast to the poisoning method used in conventional reactors.

College Song?
I had an impression that this song was a hit among the college students of the 1880's and 1890's, who had the same sense of humor as students nowadays. Is this correct or not? Pittsburgh Poet (talk) 19:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

"Covers"
Elliott Smith never "recored" a cover of this song. For his '95 Album "Elliott Smith" he did record a song titled "Clementine," and that song even included lyrical and even melodic references to the song "Oh My Darling, Clementine," but I have never come across a recording of him actually playing the American Folk-Ballad this page is devoted to. No demos, no albums or singles, not even a drunken live cover-performance recorded on video and thrown on youtube...

However, it might be fair to include a "References" section in this article, or merge the Contemporary Use section into a new comprehensive section on the song's influences in contemporary/pop culture. There may not be much scholarship on the subject, but frankly, there isn't an overwhelming amount of scholarship cited in this article as it stands now. And intuitively I think there must be countless references and tributes and reproductions in pop culture owing to the song. If there's space for all these alternative verses, maybe there should be some space for where those verses came from, and that could be included in such a section as well... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.121.176 (talk) 22:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Spanish influence
The sentence, "The song is using..." seems to be under Spanish influence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 14:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

new Neil Young version
wow. Treats it seriously, as I've always believed it should be, despite the many joke send-ups and flip attitude about it in decad`es since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.0.119 (talk) 01:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Lyrics Cleanup Desperately Needed
Many of the lyrics on this page are duplicated and out of order. It looks like someone tried to collect all the variant verses in existence and publish them all in a long, unsorted list.

This song had a few verses in the beginning (probably the late 1800's). As often happens with popular folk songs, people began making up their own verses. The made-up verses are interesting and should be documented, but they should not be given the same status as the original verses.

The article would be more interesting (to me, at least) if it started with the original verses and the very sad story behind the song, then covered the variants and the stories behind them.

I came here to learn the history of this song. I was sorely disappointed.

70.27.28.185 (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

O The Humanity!
"Oh" is not grammatical in either the title or the choruses. It should be "O".

Did the songwriters really make such a howler, or have the dopey masses mangled this over the years?

I am unsure whether to correct it at this point. If the typo is now standard, I suppose it should stay. 209.172.25.170 (talk) 02:18, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't think "Oh" is the wrong grammar. I think that "O" is the old-fashioned way to put it, and "Oh" is the modern way. I've seen it both ways, and that seems to be the trend. I think it can be left the way it is. 12.31.187.178 (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Original research
The article strikes me as a perfect example of original research.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Where are the sources, for example, for the information in the History and Origins section? ShelbyMarion (talk) 21:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I just removed the most agregious parts that appeared to be original research and added citation needed tags where it appears there is outside research that simply isn't appropriately cited. GrantHenninger (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Jan and Dean discography?
Is it really relevant enough to this article to have the box containing their other songs at the bottom of this page? ShelbyMarion (talk) 21:28, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course not. It has nothing to do with the original subject matter.

Snezzy (talk) 12:42, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hanna-Barbera
Isn't this the song that Huckleberry Hound used to sing? Or was it Droopy? 86.183.153.82 (talk) 19:23, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

free score source not functional
"traditional-songs.com" appears to have disappeared. The link now forwards to a french site, [partitions-domaine-public.fr], which if you try to proceed shunts you off to a thing called [allin1-digitalcontent.net allin1-digitalcontent.net], which is an ad for something called Tudum that wants your credit card before telling you it can't find anything about Clementine. Then if you go back and start over, allin1 has been replaced by Audible, which really doesn't seem to comprehend the notion of a musical score. --Haruo (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2021 (UTC) Now I have to contact my bank to make sure they don't misuse the credit card they said they needed but wouldn't charge to... Highly irritating. I think I'll just write my own score. --Haruo (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I think I managed to get some malware from it, too... Haruo (talk) 17:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Oops Haruo (talk) 17:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC)