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Ohad Naharin is a musician
I've noticed a recent edit, removing the statement that Naharin is a musician. But as the Batsheva website clearly states:

Naharin trained in music throughout his youth, and he has often used his musical prowess to amplify his choreographic impact. He has collaborated with several notable musical artists to create scores for his dances, including Israeli rock group The Tractor’s Revenge (for Kyr, 1990), Avi Belleli and Dan Makov (for Anaphaza, 1993), and Ivri Lider (for Z/na, 1995). Under the pseudonym Maxim Waratt, Naharin composed music for MAX (2007) and edited and mixed the soundtracks for Mamootot (2003) and Hora (2009). Naharin also combined his talents for music and dance in Playback (2004), a solo evening which he directed and performed.

Therefor, I think it is safe to say that Naharin IS a musician. Thanks, Talgalili (talk) 04:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

disagree
Many, if not most, choroegraphers are competent musicans — if not even more highly skilled — George Balanchine, Savion Glover, Benjamin Millepied and Mark Morris for example. Likewise some are highly skilled lighting, set and costume designers. Nonethless they would not be described as musicians — or designers — in a reference work unless they did so independently of their work as choreographers; it is just part of making dances. — Robert Greer (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Robert, nice to meet you.
 * You raise an interesting point. And I might agree with you (I need to think about this more).  However, I can give you a counter claim (which I'd be happy to read what you think about them):
 * According to the "Musician" article - "A musician is an artist who plays a musical instrument. It may or may not be the person's profession. Musicians can be classified by their roles in performing music." By this, it can be said that Naharin is a musician.
 * If you can get your definition to be incorporated in the "Musician" article, I would easily see your claim as a valid one.
 * With regards, Talgalili (talk) 20:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Update: I've asked my wife (who actually knows about Dance) what she thinks. Her reply was that Ohad should actually more be considered a composer then a musician since he (for example) composed the music which was used in his piece "Max" (while he did not do stage or lighting design).  Best, Talgalili (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

crossposted
(Crossposted from Robertgreer user talk page.)

I've answered your comment on the talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ohad_Naharin

After consulting with my wife, it might make more sense to call Ohad Naharin a composer then a musician. What do you think?

With regards, Talgalili (talk) 08:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

composer
I have the greatest respect for Ohad Naharin and still greater admiration of his choreography.

It is for this reason that I cannot agree that Ohad Naharin should be called a composer any more than he be called a musician — or designer.

I have seen his work on Cedar Lake here in NY and Hubbard Street — here this week for Fall for Dance — as well as his own Batsheva in FURO at the Jewish Theater in Stockholm and personally consider him to be the most important living contemporary dance choreographer.

Gaga is the crown jewel to his reputation and — again in my personal opinion — the most imporatant developement since his teacher Martha Graham invented modern dance as we now know it.

1. His work as a composer is not independent of his choreography — and it was on just such grounds that it was agreed that he not be listed as a designer.

2. His work as a composer is not independent but a collaboration with other musicians: "Since he has also been musically trained, Naharin sometimes collaborates on the compositions used in his pieces."

3. His work as a choreograher is of monumental importance and writing that he is a composer — or musician or designer — diminishes his stature in that his work as the latter cannot be compared with the former. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Robert - it is a pleasure to discuss such issues with you.
 * You are not alone in your admiration to Ohad Naharin's work.
 * I am split with regards to whether or not to call Naharin a musician. But since you seem to be 100% on this - I will let this be - and go with your opinion.
 * With regards, Tal Galili (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! — Robert Greer (talk) 17:50, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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