Talk:Ohrid Literary School

Disruptive editing
Please, stop your disruptive edita contrary the reliable sources and discuss. Jingby (talk) 12:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I am going to readd the state where this school was founded. Jingby (talk) 05:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Jingby, you are making the Ohrid School as if the school was Bulgarian and it belongs to the Bulgarians, and it was only significant to the Bulgarians. Your misplaced nationalism is offensive, irrational and irritating. The school was Slavic (like the language, people and the alphabet). The Ohrid School was not only important to the Bulgarians and their national pride, but to all Slavs.

It was founded by a Bulgarian king, and Ohrid was in the borders of the Bulgarian Empire. So what. It also lasted after the fall of the Bulgarian Empire in the 11th century, which by your logic, would mean that it was non-Bulgarian after that? If the School was Bulgarian because Ohrid was part of Bulgaria, what does that make every Bulgarian during 500 years of Turkish rule, Turks?

Please explain.

Wisco2000 (talk) 06:55, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

WHere is the NPOV?
What part here is objectionable, untrue, or a matter of opinion that needs discussing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenFranklinPhilly (talk • contribs) 22:50, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

The deletion of the term Bulgarian in this article and its substitution with the term Macedonian is ultra-nationalistic POV
Throughout the Middle Ages and until the early 20th century, there was no clear formulation or expression of a distinct Macedonian ethnicity. The Slavic speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia had been referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th,  up until the early 20th century. It is generally acknowledged that the ethnic Macedonian identity emerged in the late 19th century or even later. However, the existence of a discernible Macedonian national consciousness prior to the 1940s is disputed. Anti-Serban and pro-Bulgarian feelings among the local population at this period prevailed. According to some researchers, by the end of the war a tangible Macedonian national consciousness did not exist and bulgarophile sentiments still dominated in the area, but others consider that it hardly existed. After 1944 Communist Bulgaria and Communist Yugoslavia began a policy of making Macedonia into the connecting link for the establishment of new Balkan Federative Republic and stimulating here a development of distinct Slav Macedonian consciousness. With the proclamation of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia as part of the Yugoslav federation, the new authorities also started measures that would overcome the pro-Bulgarian feeling among parts of its population. In 1969 also the first History of the Macedonian nation was published. The past was systematycally falsified to conceal the truth, that most of the well-known Macedonians had felt themselves to be Bulgarians and generations of students were tought the pseudo-history of the Macedonian nation.

edit war
Rather than blocking the disputants, I've reverted to the July version before this started and protected the article. If you are unable to work together as colleagues, then go to dispute resolution and have somebody babysit. Meanwhile, if there are non-contentious edits that need to be made, tell me here and I can add them in. — kwami (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

@Jingiby
Jingiby, you have been warned a number of times about misrepresenting sources. Poulton (2000) does not mention a "distinct Bulgarian ethnic consciousness" arising from the development of Old Church Slavonic literary. He says the effect of it prevented the assimilation of the Slavs and the legacy of which bolstered a national identity "far from that associated with modern nationalism". --101.112.170.166 (talk) 12:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

What the source says is: ...The development of a Slav literacy was crucial in preventing assimilation of the Slavs, either by cultures of the north, or by the Greek culure to the south... Thus as Crampton notes, the legacy helped the Bulgarians develop a national consciousness which, though far from that associated with modern nationalism, was strong to preserve the concept of Bulgaria and the Bulgarians as a distinct entity... This sence was cemented by the conquests of Simeon the Great (i.e. during the 9th and 10th centuries...)''. Hugh Poulton, C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2000, ISBN 1-85065-534-0, pp. 19-20. Jingiby (talk)

Macedonian prof. Mikulchik has the same view: Once the Byzantine lands along the border were conquered, Simeon changed his military conception. An symbiosis was completed, between the few Asiatic Bulgars and the numerous Slavic tribes in the broad area from the Danube in the north to the Aegean Sea to the south and from the Adriatic Sea to the west, to the Black Sea to the east. They all accepted the common ethnonym "Bulgarians". Slavic language became common to all the inhabitants of that area. - Средновековни градови и тврдини во Македонија, Иван Микулчиќ (Македонска академија на науките и уметностите — Скопје, 1996) Jingiby (talk) 14:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)