Talk:Ojos del Salado

Is this a reliable source?
This group of mountaineers has a museum and stuff but I don't know anything about them. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Just undertook a major expansion
Based on a more comprehensive survey of sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Meaning
In the article the real meaning of Ojos del salado isn't mentioned which means "eyes of the salty one" in Spanish. Aminabzz (talk) 13:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, but place names are not always literal; false friends are pretty common. I'd want a source that explicitly connects the name Ojos de Salado to a meaning. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not an example of a false friend. As the article you have mentioned states, a false friend is two words in two languages that look like each other in the aspect of letters but have different meanings.
 * But ojos and eyes don't look like each other.
 * Also, there isn't a meaning for the mountain's name in English to call it a false friend. In a false friend the words should have meanings in both languages.
 * So since the mountain's name doesn't have an English meaning it's pretty safe to translate the Spanish name to English.
 * Also, you can search the web for the meaning. I've done it and found some sources. Aminabzz (talk) 21:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If the concept of a false friend was limited to different languages, you might have a point. But just as "Monti Rossi" at Mount Etna literally means "red mountain" but the actual etymology (via a dialect) is "mountain of ruin", we can't guarantee that "Ojos del Salado" the placename means the same thing as "Ojos del Salado" the Spanish sentence. I want a source that explicitly discusses the etymology. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:01, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Disagreement between about the Polish climbers
Wondering if we need an explanation in text for this edit, in case sources disagree. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't have access to the latter source. Does it claim the ascent was made by all members? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This source says . Von Tinogasta auf der argentinischen Seite der Hauptkordillere kommend, gelang der vierköpfigen polnischen Bergsteigergruppe (Justin Wojsznis, Stefan Osiecki, Witold Paryski, Jan Szczepański) die Besteigung von elf Sechstausendern, darunter acht Erstbesteigungen von Gipfeln oberhalb von 6300 m (Wojsznis 1956a, S.107). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Would be good to check Wojsznis. Polish source states that only two climbers went to the top. Justyn Wojsznis wraz z Janem Szczepańskim swoje zainteresowanie skierowali ku najwyższemu wulkanowi Nevado Ojos del Salado (6870 m n.p.m.), by po kilkudniowej akcji górskiej stanąć na jego szczycie (26 lutego 1937 r.). In fact the Polish source strongly implies the others went eslewhere at the same time: Jednocześnie drugi zespół: Stefan Osiecki i Witold Paryski działał pod masywem Nevado Tres Cruces (6620 m n.p.m.). Środkowy wierzchołek Nevado Tres Cruces alpiniści zdobyli 24 lutego, dwa dni później Paryski samotnie osiągnął południowy wierzchołek (6630 m n.p.m.). Note the dates. It is unlikely Paryski would climb both mountains on the same day... PS. Cited source is Ostrowski 1984. PPS. Having translated the German quotation, it does not imply they all climbed each mountain, but that the expedition did. Polish text goes into more details and clarifies that they worked in two 2-men teams, and sometimes each team climbed a different mountain. I hope that makes it clear that the German text was initially used incorrectly (to make a claim that is not clearly supported by it wording). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:53, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably best to remove the German reference, then, which I have done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Source on research
Dunno if it's worth a mention: This source about how research in the region is almost entirely under foreign leadership. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Which lake?
This book talks about 100m wide lake at 6390m elevation. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Pre-FAC review
- as per your request on my user talk page, I'll give this a pre-FAC look. Apologies if any of these comments don't make much sense; I'm trying to split my attention between this article and the Kansas City Chiefs game on TV
 * "Topo map Highest mountain: Highest Mountain in Chile" - is this the intended infobox code, because it does not seem right to me
 * "Waterbodies found at 6,600 metres (21,700 ft) elevation are the highest lakes of the world; if considered lakes they may be the highest lakes in the world." - I think this needs rephrased - it is fairly convoluted with the first part essentially stating that the waterbodies are the highest lakes, but the second part says that if these waterbodies were to be classified as lakes they would be the highest lakes in the world
 * "the mountain has extremely dry conditions, which prevent the formation of glaciers" - but we do note that there are small, sheltered or isolated glaciers. So maybe rephrase to "which prevent the formation of widespread glaciers" or "substantial glaciers" or something like that?
 * Isolation is only present in the infobox; should be mentioned in the body as well
 * 13 see also links seems a little excessive; I would recommend trimming these a bit before an FAC
 * "BAKER, P. E.; GONZALEZ-FERRAN, O.; REX, D. C." - this shouldn't be in all-caps

This is in good shape otherwise. Hog Farm Talk 22:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * , thanks. Only other article that comes to mind is Mount Hudson, and only for a POV-balance evaluation (how much space to assign to each eruption) Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)