Talk:Oklahoma City National Memorial

Public domain text
The text appears to have been copied from: http://nps.gov/okci/index.htm

Would it be violating copyright laws?

-- User:Ixfd64, 13:17 PDT, March 28, 2004

The disclaimer on that site declairs that the info is public domain.

American festival and Christian festival day names
Can somebody convert the American festival and Christian festival day names into normal calendar dates please? Bobblewik (talk) 12:49, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * As the calendar dates of these holidays often change year to year, the current setup seams appropriate.--Kralizec! 19:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Chairs?
Judging from the photos, the rather unique looking chairs seem to be an important component but their construction, layout and significance is not mentioned at all; where are they located with respect to the other features? Curiously they are not mentioned in the linked National Park Service article either. Pretzelpaws 18:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * From the caption of one of the pictures - Flowers and personal items are left on several of the 168 memorial chairs at the Oklahoma City National Memorial on the 10th anniversary of the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. The chairs stand in remembrance of the 168 people who died from the April 19, 1995 terrorist attack. - I also read somewhere that they form a silhouette of the destroyed building's floorplan. --Dual Freq 18:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Content addded. :-) --Kralizec! 22:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

update
I took some time to update and correct some of the information about the outdoor memorial. When I first read it, I knew that quite a bit of it was incomplete. It appeared to me that much of the information about the memorial elements was taken from the concept instead of the final design, so there was a lot I could add and expand upon, especially the locations of different elements in relation to other elements. An editor apparently looked at a map of the memorial and labeled one of the gates as the 'south gate', but some of the maps of the memorial are deceiving because they show the reflecting pool as running from top to bottom, so you'd think the pool runs north to south - but it doesn't. The pool runs east to west, so therefore the gates are on the east and west ends of the memorial. I put the gates back where they should be, on the east & west ends, in a couple of places. (It helps if you live here and are familiar with Oklahoma City, too.) Also, the memorial is owned by the foundation again because the trust was dissolved in 2004, so I updated a couple of references about ownership of the site.

I hope my additions are helpful. I can source all of it but didn't give specific footnotes – each of my changes can be found using the links in the External Links section, although in some cases you'll have to dig pretty deep. I did try to footnote all of it in one of my drafts, but it just looked awful because in some cases I took ten or eleven references to make two or three sentences. (That's my style.) If there's a massive public outcry, I'll bear down and do it, but I think it's okay as is.

I'm also trying to find some public domain photos – one of the fence as it stood before the construction of the permanent memorial, and one of the memorial at night. Another good photo would be one of the Murrah Building as it was before the bombing, because I can't find one that's been uploaded to either Wikipedia or Commons and not enough people know what it looked like before McVeigh blasted it to bits (I always thought it was sleek and modern). Any or all would be great additions to the article. - ddlamb 16:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I'll plan a trip to the memorial soon (I work at the Oklahoma capital). Thanks for the help ddlamb =) Ash Lux 16:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for correcting my "south gate" mistake, Ddlamb! I took the photo from the south observation point and must have had that on my mind when I mislabled the east gate as the south.  --Kralizec! (talk) 12:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

More about the design
Some information about the design and who is responsible for the design would be helpful. I hear a German group designed the memorial, but I doubt it's true. I know a competition was held and a group by the name Burton won. Polimark (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There was an international design contest to choose the winning design. It was designed by Hans and Torrey Butzer and their friend Sven Berg.  Torrey is from Oklahoma, and Hans grew up in Wisconsin and Germany.  They were both living in Germany at the time of the design competition.  Their design was chosen by judges, which included family members of the victims.  Hans and Torrey now live in Oklahoma City, and work for their own Butzer Design Partnership and Hans is also the principal for his architecture firm, Butzer-Gardner Partnership. 139.78.176.1 (talk) 20:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

inaccurate?
OKC is truly a tragedy so I don't want to get into an argument. However, the article begins by saying it's the largest memorial. This may be inaccurate. The Washington Monument is much taller. Mt. Rushmore, a memorial to the presidents, is much bigger in terms of area and height. The Lincoln Memorial is bigger than the arch that says 9:03.

Saying that it covers more than a city block is factual and readers will conclude that it's big. User F203 (talk) 22:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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