Talk:Olav Zipser

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I think the headings under "Freefly" should all be H3 instead of H2. Thoughts? Rklawton (talk) 18:15, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Pinging User:Quadtripplea. Which sources on the article demonstrate notability? I'm thinking of starting an AFD, as the sources are pretty much all WP:SELFPUB or merely industry coverage. Sungodtemple (talk) 18:37, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Pinging User:Sungodtemple. I will give this attention. Pls be patient. Quadtripplea (talk) 09:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

proposed for deletion - response
Skydiving and parachuting are fringe sports. Whilst the sports themselves are often mentioned in mainstream media, the pioneers and champions famous within the sports are generally only featured in skydiving and parachuting specific publications and websites.

The Sports Emmy was verified previously via administrators (original certificate submitted) and there exists extensive and solid coverage on Olav Zipser, The Space Games, and The First School of Modern SkyFlying in the following articles:

https://ukparachuting.co.uk/history-freeflying-olav-zipser/

https://parachutist.com/Article/olav-zipser-d-11733

https://uspa.org/safetyday/olav-zipser-d-11733

https://www.fai.org/page/isc-artistic-events

https://www.cypres.aero/catching-up-with-olav-zipser/

https://paramag.fr/contenus/archives/n128/article/article-us.html

https://www.skydivemag.com/new/sky-on-stage-2/

Numerous mentions in British Skydiving Magazine:

https://britishskydiving.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/197-2000-3.pdf - Birth of FreeFlying - Pages 12 - 17

https://britishskydiving.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/189-1999-1.pdf - Space Games article on page 7

https://britishskydiving.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/201-2001-1.pdf - Space Games article on page 35

Numerous mentions in published books (searchable via Google):

https://www.google.pt/search?q=olav+zipser+skydive&hl=en&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ALiCzsYDuI905oUGR8sqTEJhQS9WcEk-0w%3A1669902430913&ei=XrCIY66nN8-KkdUP--Oj8A4&ved=0ahUKEwiuztCpx9j7AhVPRaQEHfvxCO4Q4dUDCAk&uact=5&oq=olav+zipser+skydive&gs_lcp=Cg1nd3Mtd2l6LWJvb2tzEANQ0ARYiwxglA5oAHAAeACAAbABiAHlCZIBAzAuOZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-books

More mentions here:

http://www.pilotspost.com/arn0000102

http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/aerospace-engineering/red-bull-stratos/interview-olav-zipser-freefly-astronaut-project/

https://www.universetoday.com/102289/revolutionary-new-space-diving-suit-will-rival-anything-youve-ever-seen-in-the-movies/

https://www.mmegi.bw/ampArticle/181422

https://www.rbth.com/arts/2016/10/03/kolomna-aerograd-why-are-foreigners-coming-to-russia-to-parachute_635395

https://parabolicarc.com/2011/07/15/suborbital-skydiver-to-jump-from-interobital-systems-rocket/

https://brujulea.net/en/places-empuriabrava

https://nolimitsskydiving.com/2014/07/

https://sportsshow.net/extreme-sports-that-can-get-you-killed/

https://thespaceshow.com/guest/olav-zipser

https://www.koyn.com/CloudDancer/articles/ChiSPGA.html

Quadtripplea (talk) 14:58, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Article supporting information
In light of the fact that The First School of Modern SkyFlying was considered for deletion, and that these articles are interconnected, I felt it pertinent to make comment here as well.

Zipser is known and respected around the world by pretty much every freeflying skydiver alive, as the ‘Father of FreeFly’.

It would not be possible to talk about the history of freeflying without mentioning Zipser, and not possible to completely 'de-Zipserize' the freeflying article (as was suggested by someone?) as Zipser is undisputedly recognised in skydiving circles around the world, as the founder of freeflying.

The First School of Modern SkyFlying is exactly that, it was 'the first' - since it existed there are now hundreds of freefly instructors and schools around the world, as well as wind tunnels and wind tunnel coaches teaching freeflying.

The First School of Modern SkyFlying does not exist as a business to be promoted, so that article is historical so cannot be promotional, other than to the sport of skydiving and freeflying itself as an activity.

The same is true of the Space Games, it is part of the history of the development of freeflying. The last Space Games was held in 2006. So again, that article cannot be considered promotional, other than to the sport of skydiving and freeflying itself as an activity.

With all due respect, I feel that these articles would be best edited (or decided on) by Wikipedians with skydiving knowledge and experience, as this is a non-mainstream activity, with Zipser being very much a significant part of freefly history and development.

As per Wikipedias notability guidelines… Zipser, certainly in skydiving history and circles, is "worthy of notice", “remarkable", "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded”

The equivalent of a PhD in sporting terms would be the Sports Emmy Award, which he received.

There is a solid reference on the official Fédération aéronautique internationale website - the world governing body for air sports

https://www.fai.org/page/isc-artistic-events

As mentioned before in a previous [|afd discussion] for the Olav Zipser article. Skydiving and freeflying are fringe sports / not main stream activities. Whilst the sports themselves are often mentioned in mainstream media (normally only when there is an accident or death though), the pioneers and champions famous within the sports are generally only featured in skydiving and parachuting specific publications and websites. Rarely is main stream media interested in the individuals behind the sport that are 'famous' within the sport like with main stream spectator sports like football.

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