Talk:Old Fremantle Police Station and Court House Complex

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Name
The article name is currently "Old Fremantle Police Station and Court House complex", the lead sentence excludes "Old", and inHerit calls it Fremantle Court House (fmr) and Police Station Complex or Fremantle Court House (fmr) and Police Station Complex (Fly By Night Club. What's the "correct" name? We might not match inHerit exactly, but I would expect that the lead sentence match the article title. Should it include "Old" or not? Mitch Ames (talk) 05:40, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The police station (but not the court house) stopped being a police station only after the heritage listing and the selection of the name in inHerit, and not using "old" gets confusing when Fremantle currently has a police station and court house, neither of which are located in this complex. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Can I suggest that the article be renamed Former Fremantle Police Station and Court House complex. Dan arndt (talk) 09:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The present term has fifteen times the Google hits of that one (which has seven - effectively not used). The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 12:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with "former". It is more consistent with Heritage Council terminology ("fmr") and is more descriptive. The station could be "old" but still in use as a police station. (It "stopped being a police station only after the heritage listing" - such listing being relatively recent compared to the age of the station - so for a while it presumably was an old [in years] but still currently in use station.) "Former" unambiguously tells the reader that it is no longer used as a police station. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We use WP:COMMONNAME, not WP:MITCHNAME, and the common name for this building is plainly clear. No one calls a building the "Old Police Station" (by name, not descriptor) in any context while still in use, unless perhaps specifically confused by your obsessive decapitalisation. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 23:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * What's a WP:MITCHNAME ?? Dan arndt (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's "when there is a clear and unarguable common name, but Mitch thinks his unique, seven-Google-hits-having preference should trump it." The push here is bizarre: you're trying to use "former" (used only by the Heritage Council and basically no one else, with other sources being pretty consistent), but want to decapitalise "complex" even though the Heritage Council, which is the main source that also uses it (which we seem to generally agree it should as it better describes the site for our purposes), makes clear that it views it as part of a proper noun. The result is that you're trying to name it in a way that's literally unique to you. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 13:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This edit renamed the page but there was no corresponding change to the lead sentence. MOS:FIRST suggests that title and lead sentence should use the same term - unless the "old" in the title is "merely descriptive". Mitch Ames (talk) 23:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if you see something like this, you could actually fix it, instead of obsessively causing unproductive nuisance for other editors. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)1
 * The matter is apparently disputed, per this talk page section, with no clear consensus, so it seems polite to discuss changes first. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

"Old" courthouse and police station closing
Re these edits ... I still assert that the word "old" is redundant in those contexts. Was there more than one courthouse or police station there when it closed? Which courthouse/police station other than the "old" one might the reader think we meant, if the word "old" was not there? Mitch Ames (talk) 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * There are two court houses and two police stations in the relevant sentences, and making it vague for no reason is just engaging in bad writing for kicks. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 06:07, 21 May 2022 (UTC)