Talk:Old Man of the Mountain

Hashshashin
Thanks, 212! (or however you type that) I'd been thinking that this phrase range a bell from somewhere else, but I couldn't quite place it. Now I remember what that's all about. :) -- John Owens 09:44 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

Coin
Removed: ...which is the only U.S. coin that has a head on both sides.


 * Or rather, a head on one side and a rock formation that looks kind of like a face if you squint right on the other. --Brion 17:43 May 8, 2003 (UTC)


 * I've put it back in but in a much more carefully worded manner. -- Minesweeper 08:37 May 11, 2003 (UTC)

Picture
Anyone have an actual picture of the cliff (before or after) to contribute? Maybe pictures from your vacation? -kwertii — Preceding undated comment added 08:00

New Hampshire native
That's a really odd article, IMHO, which is why I undid the link the first time around. Since "native" means "born in the location," explaining that New Hampshire native means "born in New Hampshire" seems - well, kind of silly, with or without an RSA. It's like having an article called New Hampshire resident. For all practical purposes, all the article does is tell people to look at list of New Hampshire people. Does it strike anybody else this way, or am I being pedantic? - DavidWBrooks 17:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I haven't had the time to change the list of New Hampshire people to make the distinction between native and people from New Hampshire. We plan to have a separate list, but I will take the input of fellow wiki contributers. Assawyer 00:51, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

David Nielsen
I'm going out on a limb here, but I assume the David Nielsen mentioned in here is not the David Nielsen the page links too. Anyone have concrete information? --ORBIT 08:37, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Not much of a limb! I removed the link. - DavidWBrooks 13:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * But yet it's back to the same different person :) 24.34.46.96 13:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Collapse follows State quarter
What about pointing out that the timing of the Face's collapse was ironic, coming just a short time after the State quarter was introduced?

Thanks for your consideration. Dave Andrew 04:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If people consider the juxtaposition ironic, they will consider it ironic - telling them "hey, this is ironic" is unnecessary, IMHO. Besides, the coin came out three years before the collapse, not exactly a short time. - DavidWBrooks 20:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Three years is not a short time? On the contrary, on a geologic time scale three years is an incredibly short period of time. Considering that this structure probably remained intact for millennia, the odds of it collapsing a mere three years after being put on the state quarter are pretty small.NIST91 (talk) 12:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * On the scale of the age of the universe, they happened at exactly the same moment within rounding error! What are the odds of that?!?!?!? What an ironic coincidence!! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Gee, David, thanks for that sarcastic and completely inappropriate response. The age of the universe is completely irrelevant in this case, since the rock formation did not exist since the beginning of time. It's not irrelevant, however, to point out that 3 years represents an insignificant amount of time compared to the rock formation's age.NIST91 (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What about stating something about the coincidence of same-sex legislation in the state not long before it had collapsed? - Willard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.36.210 (talk) 00:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Just in case that isn't a troll and/oir joke, note that same-sex marriage became legal on January 1, 2010, almost seven years after the collapse. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 01:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, I was thinking of the state electing a gay bishop to the episcopal community. It's was unprecedented. - Willard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.36.210 (talk) 07:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That's certainly more reasonable: Gene Robinson was elected bishop June 7, 2003, barely a month after the collapse. But drawing any connection between those two events would be ridiculous; we might as well make note of the winning lottery numbers at the time. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe I said it was unprecedented? And please don't say "Oh well, the exact lottery numbers, amount won was unprecedented!" You may call it superstitious, but it's worth noting. WillardWorsley (talk) 05:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Use of So Many Hyperlinks
Is it really necessary to have so many hyperlinks on this page? Like, does anyone seriously not know what a highway is? Or a state legislator? Has no one heard of wind, snow, and rain? If these hypothetical people have any doubts I'm sure they can look up these problem spots on their own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.86.128 (talk) 10:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

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Donald Duck
There's a Donald Duck comics where DD destroys a similarly looking rock formation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrik BP (talk • contribs) 12:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course, the episode of The Simpsons called Fraudcast News from 2004 parodies the rock and its demise under the name "Geezer Rock". Gmackematix (talk) 00:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The Donald Duck Story is "Losing Face" by Carl Barks written 1957 and can be seen here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.140.115.11 (talk • contribs) 22:07, October 29, 2009

Inspiration for jazz song and cartoon?
Is there any evidence that the jazz song "The Old Man of the Mountain", performed by Cab Calloway and his Orchestra amongst others, and hence the derived Betty Boop cartoon of the same title, was inspired by this formation? 87.81.230.195 (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The "old man" in the cartoon and song lyrics is a person, not a stone face, so the connection would seem to be peripheral at best. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

State Flag claim?
I cannot find any references to substantiate the claim that state legislators considered the idea of including the Old Man image on the state flag subsequent to the collapse. A search of relevant articles in the New Hampshire Union-Leader shows no mention of the idea. Can someone please find a substantiating WP:RS reference for this? Otherwise I think the claim should be removed. — Rnickel (talk) 18:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Replacement proposals
I don't particularly object to a detailed description of a proposal to replace (or "redefine") the Old Man after its collapse, unless it was just one of many proposals, in which case singling this one out becomes a promotion for this particular architect. Is there any information available on the proposals that were submitted to the Merrill commission in 2003? --Ken Gallager (talk) 17:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Simpsons
In the Simpsons episode Fraudcast News, a very similar rock formation collapses. The episode aired almost exactly a year after the Old Man of the Mountain collapsed. Is there any mileage in including this in the article? Can anyone find a citation for a definite connection between the two? -- Bobyllib (talk) 18:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see why. The Simpsons has made references to umpty-bazillion events in its 10-years-plus run - we don't need to mark every single time they made a satire of something, do we? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Not that I think it's important, but the Simpsons reference wouldn't be "marking every single time they made a satire of something", it is a reference to this (former) formation in popular culture. Many pages on wikipedia have this type of information. Just sayin 2CrudeDudes (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

New York Times article
The NYT just had an article about the Old Man of the Mountain and the memorial designs and stuff. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 16:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Old Man of the Mountain, or Mountains?
The 1955 stamp shown in the article bears the inscription "The Old Man of the Mountains", the last word in the plural. Whereas the article itself does not mention the issue of plural vs. singular, but seems to assume the singular everywhere. Toddcs (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow - I had never noticed that pluralism! It is absolutely a singular mountain: that's the official name, as the links at the bottom indicate, and that is the way virtually everybody refers to it/him. Still, I wonder how many plural versions have been created over time. Interesting. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Another "Old Man"
Note that Alpstein in the Swiss Alps, also has an Altmann (Old Man). Similarity to a person not so clear. But anyway, there is the possibly this connection was also made by the people naming the place. Student7 (talk) 00:44, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Some history and status of the memorial drive
http://news.yahoo.com/nh-honors-old-man-10-years-formations-fall-163851178.html Irish Melkite (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Eagle Cliff
I believe this was called Eagle Cliff. See the article and image at Profile House. What is now Echo Lake seems to have been Profile Lake. OrganicEarth (talk) 02:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * No, Eagle Cliff is on the east side of the notch, facing the Old Man, which was on the west side under Cannon Mountain. Echo Lake and Profile Lake are separate water bodies less than a mile apart, separated by the height of land in the notch. Echo Lake drains north and is part of the Connecticut River watershed, while Profile Lake, which sits directly under the Old Man (hence its name), drains south into the Pemigewasset River and thence to the Merrimack. It's possible the professional photographers of yore misidentified one of the lakes. Thanks for all the wonderful stereo images you've been putting up, by the way. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's a link to the topo map of the area, which best describes what I just wrote. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you VERY much for the help. I wonder why I didn't see references to Echo Lake or Old Man from the 19th century sources I was looking at.. OrganicEarth (talk) 14:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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Updating dead reference link
I was going to update a dead reference link, but gave up after several minutes trying to figure out how to do it. Could the user interface be any harder to use? Here's the new URL for the piece from the governor if someone else wants to do it: http://www.lfda.org/issues/old-man-mountain-memorial Nasch (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Can you specify the statement that gets this new link? The only "dead link" tag in the article right now is for the former "caretaker" of the Old Man. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Reference number 6. Nasch (talk) 03:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, all set. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Timeline - is that necessary?
What do people think about killing the timeline, and incorporating the material into next as necessary? Much of its material is already mentioned in the article - it seems clumsy and duplicative (if that's a word). - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that's a good idea. Better to just have a single chronology, using standard paragraphs. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I personally happen to like the timeline as it is a great snapshot of the full history that is easily readable. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 21:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I just came to the talk page to see if anyone had said this - I agree wholeheartedly. It seems both congested and unnecessary. I recommend that it's removed, and the information is simply reintegrated to the article. BakedintheHole (talk) 23:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

How about a normal photo?
I have two proposals, we should choose one: (1) all around wikipedia, if anybody is deceased, we should display a composite image that shows them as a semi transparent ghost so nobody mistakenly will think that they are alive (2) leave the rest of wikipedia alone, and restore a picture of actual Old Man of the Mountain to this page, and let people know in text that it no longer exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.224.172 (talk) 00:46, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I would say that the image used depicts the article topic very well. No need for change. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 01:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree - it's an unusual composite but it's informative and useful. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:06, 9 February 2018 (UTC)