Talk:Old Planters (Massachusetts)

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There are many examples of old planters in the US. Too, other countries will have examples. The Essex county planters led to the founding of Massachusetts and to the ensuing onset of independence (century later). Hence, it's of importance enough to be the start of the article. jmswtlk (talk) 20:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We really need to look at classes of doers, and talkers (writers), in this context. Those who actually build,and maintain,infrastructure are give short attention in history. Perhaps, the cloud will help correct that. Oh wait! It's an example. How many 'cloud' users even have any notion of what goes on behind the scene? Also, note that Adam Smith pre-dated this activity. Any influence on him from developments here, this side of the pond, would have to had been limited. Too, the US has let its infrastructure go to pot, out-housed its character, and lost its core values. Oh, what does this have to do with wiki? - firstly, this comment is on the discussion page; too, the article will expand to cover the topic internationally through time. jmswtlk (talk) 13:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Naumkeag
Some bit of information that we need to fill in is this: where was Thomas Gardner, and his family, from 1626, when the settlers followed Conant (Moses) to the Salem area (Promised Land) in anticipation of the arrival of Winthrop (Savior), through a mention of Gardner in a Mass Bay meeting in 1629 (in England) to when Gardner obtains a grant of land in Salem in 1635? jmswtlk (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * After two years in Cape Ann, would they just pick up and leave plantings, etc.? Given the short distance, does not a graduated move make more sense? Gardner (with Margaret and four young boys) brought up the rear? jmswtlk (talk) 23:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Sebastian Cabot & John Smith
I am removing mention of them from the section "Early English settlement attempts" because they didn't attempt to colonize, so they don't fit the category. There are other articles that discuss explorations of North America such as Exploration of North America and European colonization of the Americas and History_of_New_England. The Sebastian Cabot source is also questionable, considering that book provides no primary source for its claim, and nowhere else can I find reference to Cabot voyaging around New England — he was actually more of a passenger on his father John Cabot's voyages and the consensus is that they landed in Newfoundland (see articles on John Cabot, Sebastian Cabot, Newfoundland, etc., and their sources). Also see http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/cabot_sebastian_1E.html for discussion of Cabot sources. Henry chianski (talk) 18:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)