Talk:Old Ship Church

Staff
The "staff" section listing has been removed, If it had no place in the article, it has no place here. clariosophic (talk) 22:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Puritan Meetinghouse
There is some dispute about whether the oldest church in the U.S. in continuous worship is Old Ship or whether that distinction belongs to a Virginia church. But there is no disagreement over whether Old Ship is the only remaining Puritan meetinghouse of the 17th century in New England. All the other Puritan structures of that century were later demolished (or burned) and were replaced by more elaborate white-steepled sorts of buildings.MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Photo
It would be wonderful if a local wikipedian might take some new photos of this wonderful old building. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

If its most distinctive architectural features are on the inside, shouldn't there be a photograph of the inside? AnonMoos (talk) 13:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm working on that as we speak. Hopefully we'll have one very soon. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 14:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks AnonMoos (talk) 15:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. MarmadukePercy (talk) 05:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Have re-added the photo of interior now that licensing is straightened out and approved by FlickrBot.MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I would point out that the photo of the Parish House is incorrect. The photo is most likely that of Old Derby Academy - further down Main Street on the opposite side of the street from the Parish House. It was inaccurately identified by the photo's Author - Timothy Valentine as the "First Meeting House" on his flickr page. An accurate photo of the Parish house can be seen at: http://www.bostoncoffeehouses.org/OffTheSquare/OffTheSquare.html24.34.28.141 (talk) 04:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You are exactly right. I have removed the photo of what is the Hingham Historical Society (the old Derby Academy) and have substituted a photo of a window detail from Old Ship while we await a photo of the Parish House. Thank you for pointing that out. MarmadukePercy (talk) 06:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * New photo of the real Parish House just added. MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I fail to understand your edit of my contribution to the article. My contibution is verifiable as I referenced the applicable registry of deeds, as well as the book and pages of the deed - of which I have a certified copy and of which I have no problem providing a copy to you. Further, current title in the Inhabitants of the Town of Hingham is verifible based upon the deed as well as the current "record" which, as to ownership of land and fixtures thereon, in Massachusetts means as a matter of law the Registry of Deeds and Registry of Probate. As an FYI there are also several errors in the article, e.g., the remains of the early settlers were found in the hill slope in front of the area of the original meeting house, which is the area of the present day Old Derby Academy, when it was excavated in the early 1800's to widen Main Street - not in the slope of the hill in front of the present day meeting house. This is verified by the Hingham Town Clerk Town Meeting records, in which there is lengthy record verifying this when the Town voted to purchase a lot in the cemetery to inter the remains uncovered and erect a memorial to them in the early 1800's.Judge Elihu Smails (talk) 04:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

the oldest continuously worshiped-in church
The entry makes references to articles from the New York Times and the Washington Post which respectively state that the Old North Church is “the oldest continuously worshiped-in church in North America” and “Built in 1681, it is the oldest church in continuous use as a house of worship in North America”. I believe this title belongs to the Chaplle of the General hospital in Quebec City. The chapel originally built as the Recollets Church in 1671 was later incorporated in the hospital and rededicated as the Chapelle Conventuelle Notre-Dame-des-Anges. It would therefore be the oldest continuously worshiped-in church in North America as well as the oldest church in continuous use as a house of worship in North America. I wanted to see if anyone had any comments or thoughts before editing the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.171.43.251 (talk) 16:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You have referenced no sources for your claim, so it's hard to evaluate. The sources for the Old Ship statement are both highly reliable. Whatever is the case, Old Ship is the oldest continuously worshiped-in church in the United States. MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, below I have listed some of my sources. Here is a link from the quebec government, its the official inventory of places of worship in the province:

http://www.lieuxdeculte.qc.ca/fiche.php?LIEU_CULTE_ID=15932&LieuSuivant=3&LieuPrecedent=1&debut=0&nlieux=9&type_requete=critere&lignes=25&ConstructionDebut=1671&ConstructionFin=1750&ConcepteurId=0&MunicipaliteId=0&__utma=198025522.1564302855.1282665567.1282665567.1282665567.1&__utmb=198025522.9.10.1282665567&__utmc=198025522&__utmz=198025522.1282665567.1.1.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=inventaire%20lieux%20culte Additionally there is this website which specialises in the history of Quebec churches: http://eglisesdequebec.org/ToutesLesEglises/NotreDameDesAnges/NotreDameDesAnges.html and then there is this website from the Quebec City Corporation for religious patrimony and tourism which has a detailed history of the chapel: http://www.patrimoine-religieux.com/patrimoine_fr.asp?no=19070. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.171.43.251 (talk) 17:16, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please note that this wikipedia entry states that Old Ship is the oldest church in ecclesiastical use in the United States. The sentences you reference come from the sources themselves. The text of wikipedia makes no claim to 'oldest in North America.' The texts you've provided for the Quebec church are not from the media or historical texts, but are government or ecclesiastical sources. Moreover, they're in French, which isn't the text of choice on the English wikipedia. I see no reason for editing the piece as it is, as the two sources cited – The New York Times and The Washington Post – are highly reliable. I also note that the church you reference in Quebec has no wikipedia entry. I would first suggest creating an entry for it. Then perhaps a footnote can be added to the Old Ship Church piece. MarmadukePercy (talk) 18:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral-Basilica_of_Notre-Dame_de_Qu%C3%A9bec as it states with sources that this church dates from 1647, a full 24 years before Old Ship Church. The structure of the original church is still present inside the building itslef as the add ons were done on top of the existing strucure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.96.202.138 (talk) 02:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC)