Talk:Old fashioned glass/Archive 1

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 * Your wish is my command. AnonEMouse (squeak) 17:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.205.145 (talk • contribs)

Move to Tumbler (glass)?
As far as I can see, this is just a type of tumbler, or possibly a synonym for the same thing. According to Ghits, tumbler +glass gets 1,420,000, whereas "old fashioned glass" gets only 161,000. Unless anyone can substantiate a significant difference between a tumbler and an Old Fashioned glass, I suggest moving to Tumbler (glass) and rewriting. DWaterson 02:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Note "tumbler" at glass (drinkware). ENeville (talk) 07:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Details to discuss
First, I rather agree with DWaterson above. I've been editing the Glassware article, and wrestling with numerous inconsistent definitions on several pages. Tumbler is a subset of Glassware. I recommend Glassware as the general term, rather than "Drinkware", and suggest Drinkware should be changed to perhaps "Barware".

Overview: A straight shot of liquor may be served in a shot glass, which is a modern variant of the smallest standard tumbler, called a "whiskey". A shot may also be served either straight or over ice--"on the rocks", from which comes the term "rocks glass"--in the larger "Old Fashioned glass".

The Old Fashioned glass is also large enough to hold a simple cocktail like the Old Fashioned itself (basically a shot of whiskey with sugar and bitters). The Old Fashioned glass may also be called a "lowball" glass, comparing it to a "highball". A highball is a mixed drink with liquor and a few ounces of mix, served in a larger highball glass.

It boils down to whether the drinker wants to toss a shot of liquor from a shot glass; sip it from the slightly larger Old Fashioned glass, perhaps over ice, or with a splash of mix; or dilute it with a larger amount of mix over ice as a highball. AnonEMouse questioned my changes here, and wrote my Talk page,

"I'm not at all sure it's primarily used for serving drinks on the rocks. For example, the old fashioned itself often wasn't served on the rocks, and that's what it was named for. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 14:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)"

No ice? At the Old Fashioned page, "Facts at a glance" says the Old Fashioned cocktail is "served 'On the rocks'; poured over ice"; and under "Recipe", "Add 2-3 cubes ice and whiskey".

AnonEMouse also holds that the Old Fashioned glass is a whisky glass; has vertical sides; holds 240 to 300 ml, or 8-10 ounces; and "is often used for cocktails that have few ingredients". But the Old Fashioned glass is larger than a "whiskey"; and 8-10 ounces is the size of a highball.

AnonEMouse also wants to say the Old Fashioned glass: is a type of drinking vessel; is commonly found in bars and pubs; and "is named after drinks commonly served in it, including the Old Fashioned cocktail, drinks on the rocks (with ice), and sipping liquors such as whiskey", some of which I think redundant and unnecessary.

Finally, the page needs a more representative photo, perhaps of three Old Fashioned glasses of different styles, preferably without a pressed pattern.

I'm editing again, to try to reach a concise, accurate compromise. Comments?Mukrkrgsj 00:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Title grammar
I moved this page back to Old fashioned glass. "Old-fashioned" is a description of something out of fashion, but the topic item is not out of fashion, rather it is named after the drink, the "Old Fashioned/fashioned". Yes, capitalization is an issue. WikiProject Mixed Drinks/Style/Titles indicates "Old fashioned" as the proper name for the cocktail. Meanwhile Old fashioned currently redirects to Old-fashioned, a dab page, while the cocktail article is at Old Fashioned. Maybe the cocktail article should be moved. Maybe this article should be moved to Old Fashioned glass. But this article is definitely not about an old-fashioned drinking vessel. ENeville (talk) 07:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * A reasonable approach would be to change the title of the article to "Old Fashioned (cocktail glass)".Wahrmund (talk) 21:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)