Talk:Old soldiers never die

Propose removing list of jokes
Currently the page includes a list of “snowclones”, jokey modifications of the “old soldiers never die” saying. (For example, “ Old policemen never die, they just cop out.”)

I don’t think these are sufficiently notable for the entry; there are jokey versions of every figure of speech. I removed the jokes, but the page author (user:Staszek_Lem) reverted my change with the explanation that the jokes were “well-known”.

I don’t think this is enough reason to keep the section—what do other folks think? — Narsil (talk) 04:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion
These "snowclones" come from a secondary source. Surely, the author didnt invent these jokes, she collected them. You can find them all over the internets. Consider it as a field work in folklore. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:25, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The joke book is a source to establish that some people have made that joke, which I do not dispute. But it doesn't establish that those jokes are sufficiently important to be on this page. I mean, every figure of speech has jokes made about it. Should the Gettysburg Address page list random jokes that included a version of the phrase "fourscore and seven"? — Narsil (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Do we have a source which collected "random jokes that included a version of the phrase "fourscore and seven"? If yes, then jokes with this phrase are reasonably notable for inclusion in, say, Gettysburg Address in popular culture. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Third opinion
Additional clarification: if multiple secondary sources (preferably high quality ones like academic journals or books) have referred to this phrase as a source of humour and parody, then it justifies inclusion.--DreamLinker (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, that makes sense. Thanks much for your help! — Narsil (talk) 16:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)