Talk:Oldest people/Archive 3

How many men have been the oldest living person?

 * Emiliano Mercado del Toro was the oldest living person for a short time. How many other men have been? 203.109.240.93 13:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Just the one since at least 1986, and, if Izumi is discounted, even since 1968, my dear friend. Extremely sexy 14:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There were only five men who took the title "oldest living person in the world". If you count either Thomas Peters or Geert Adriaans Boomgaard, who are both Dutch men and are accepted by most demographic scholars as the first valiated supercentenarian, you have six men with the title "oldest living person in the world". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.137.70.137 (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
 * And why do females live longer than males? 58.168.194.22 23:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, generally speaking, that is correct, although there are exceptions, as always, but to my knowledge there is no real reason for this, apart from wars (especially the First and Second World War) interfering (although Emiliano Mercado del Toro made it to 115), so this has yet to be explained thoroughly, since it still remains that way, dear friend. Extremely sexy 23:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually that is incorrect. Females live longer than males due to biological reasons. The death rate for males is higher from conception to age 115. Even at 110 to 112, the death rate is still higher for males than females. The preferred explanation is the XX theory, that women's second X serves as a backup system for the first. The X is far larger than the Y. The fact that males are more likely to die in the womb indicates that even when environmental factors are removed, males still have a higher death rate. Hence, we can say that biological/genetic factors underlie greater female longevity, though factors such as violence and smoking make this difference greater. Emiliano is NOT really an exception...he died at 115, seven years short of the female record.→ R Young {yak ł talk } 17:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nor is Christian Mortensen for that matter, but in our country females are currently the highest group of smokers. Extremely sexy 21:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Near-future-supercentenarian

 * George Francis from Sacramento was born June 6, 1897. In September (or October?) 2006 he was, as well as Ruby Mohammed, The Mother of the Nation of Islam, honored during the Fourth Annual Centenarian Celebration, hosted by the organization Take A Stand Against Elder Abuse and the Sacramento County Department of Health and Human Services’ Senior and Adult Services Division. The event was held at the Lions Gate Hotel and paid tribute to 30 locals who are at least 100 years old.

Link: http://www.sacobserver.com/community/071006/celebrating_centenarians.shtml (10.02.2007)

He may be older than you think. We have the 1900 census and other matches that confirm him to be born in June 1896. We're just waiting for someone from the family to contact www.grg.org.→ R Young {yak ł talk } 23:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Leila Denmark is another possible future supercentenarian, having just turned 109 a month ago. She's also notable for her activities outside of her age.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 13:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I know: she was a great pediatrician or child doctor until she retired at the remarkable age of 102, but she is still giving help to parents, quite amazingly at her age. Extremely sexy 15:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have met Dr. Denmark in person. However, she is not within the top 250 persons yet. Please wait until 2008 at the earliest.→ R Young {yak ł talk } 03:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yone Minagawa
Can anyone confirm that she has died? I came onto the page and it had Edna Parker as the new title holder. I assumed that it was right and updated some of the other pages. I haven't found any sources but why would someone hoax this? Captain celery 11:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Captain celery
 * Perhaps it was just a vandal. Georgia guy 17:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it looks like it. Obviously nothing is sacred. People think it's OK to pretend that someone has died. She is 114 and we are probably all a bit morbid, but that's just not nice. 87.194.21.35 21:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Captain celery

Hryhory Nestor
How many sources are necessary to add a name to this list? I came across an article today saying that a Hungarian man is the oldest person currently living at 115: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=nw20070212104132105C373930 --MattSBrrody 18:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * We don't have an Hungarian contact, and their data aren't reliable, just like the Romanian ones aren't. Extremely sexy 23:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1503676,69,item.html (unsigned comment)


 * And at http://svet.ihned.cz/c4-10030270-20496470-003100_d-za-mocnarstvi-se-na-ukrajine-zilo-nejlip too. Extremely sexy 12:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Greetings,

Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. You're free to add any case you want. It's just that if its unbelievable, it will get reverted fairly quickly.

Let me just say this is another hard-to-believe claim. He still walks at 115?→ R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 03:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No women table
There is an oldest man table, but not an oldest woman table: why? I think it should have one for each gender. (unsigned comment)
 * Well, there is no need for since the overall table of oldest validated people ever already contains all these women, dear friend. Extremely sexy 12:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Henry Allingham
Henry Allingham's date of birth is 05/06/1896, so this needs correcting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cwkcom (talk • contribs) 14:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Can you prove this with some citation? Extremely sexy 15:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Question
Where can I find a list that shows the 100 oldest people ever? (unsigned comment)
 * Well: over here, my dear friend. Extremely sexy 22:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Reverts
Bart, if someone adds a good edit to a bad one, then the good edit still has to go in order to restore the page. Please add the 'good edit' to the restored page.→ <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 02:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I already restored all good edits, Robert. Extremely sexy 15:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Katherine Plunkett wasn't 112! Your rvt deletes the 'protect' making the page vulnerable to vandalism.→ <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 19:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's one minor error to be corrected then, but the protection template must be placed by an administrator in order to work: otherwise, the vandalism would still be enabled. Extremely sexy 19:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

List of the oldest people
Your 'list of the oldest people' already goes down to 114, so clearly these aren't the same. Keeping the 115+ is probably a good idea. If you want to go down to 113 on the other page, why not?→ <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 03:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * To begin with, it's not "my" list, since it has been compiled by someone else (please, do check the history of the article first), and, moreover, one shouldn't delete parts of an article without any concensus at all: a discussion is being held about this at its very own talk page, dear Robert. Extremely sexy 11:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

To begin with, Bart, I was complaining about the DELETION of the 115+ list, so quit the 'friendly fire'.→ <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 02:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I repeat: I DID NOT delete it (check it for once), and one mustn't delete any article without this consensus. Extremely sexy 15:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

110 year old man from Denver
I found this article: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5335950?source=rss from February 03, 2007. It is about Ruell Millar from Denver, USA. It is said in the article that he celebrated his 110th birthday "last Thursday", what means on February 01, 2007. Is Mr. Millar still alive today, and can his age be verified? He would be one day older than French doyen Aimé Avignon, and being therefore the 10th-oldest living man in the world. There is also this article: http://cbs4denver.com/watercooler/local_story_061075529.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.137.103.149 (talk) 19:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Well: thanks for mentioning this case again, but it's already being investigated by Robert Young and his team in fact. Extremely sexy 22:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

If he was still driving at the proven age of 109 years and 4 months, then that beats the record of 108 by Fred Hale. There was also the case of Layne Hall, who might have been 105 or 109, but I think he still died (and drove) younger than Mr Millar. 87.194.21.35 04:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC) (Captain celery)

Greetings,

Just to correct, Mr Reuel Millar was born March 1, 1897, and therefore is YOUNGER than Aime Avignon. His age is verifiable but we are processing cases older than his first. Also, as for the 'oldest driver,' a record still needs to be applied for. If/when I come into contact with the family, I'll see if they are interested in breaking Fred Hale's record. By the way, Mr. Layne Hall was 105. → <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 02:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * "03/02/2007" is an American (instead of European) way of writing dates, so not Feb. 3rd, but March 2nd, hence the mistake, and his exact surname is subject to various written forms: "Reuel", "Ruell" and even "Rule", so, do you know what exactly is correct, Robert? Extremely sexy 14:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protected?
Bart, the 'semi-protected' status was to protect the article from edits by UNREGISTERED users, not to make it for admin's only. Do you understand now?→ <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 03:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Robert, do pay attention, please, since, as I stated on my own talk page, it isn't REALLY SEMI-PROTECTED unless a moderator follows a certain procedure to protect it for real: everybody can tag it, but unless he is a moderator, also everybody can still edit it (i.e. including anonymous users), as with the article about Ted Kennedy, and, by the way, I never said anything about administrators only being able to edit, but once again you don't read my comments as they are written, so I will prove my point by editing this very article as an anonymous user in due course, just watch it. Extremely sexy 15:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

It says it doesn't allow anonymous users with LESS THAN 100 EDITS, so, please read again.→ <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 23:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I tried to log in as an anonymous user, and couldn't, so luckily some administrator did in fact semi-protect it after all. Extremely sexy 21:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

This is just annoying!
There have been the same oldest living people for nearly two months! I hope that at least one of those people is dead before my birthday! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jc iindyysgvxc (talk • contribs) 06:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC).
 * You are so funny. Extremely sexy 15:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you! Jc iindyysgvxc 03:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope indeed you were just kidding? Extremely sexy 21:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It is exciting when the leaders die and we have to update the list. But back in Dec/Jan they were dropping like flies and we were exhausted just trying to keep up with them, coming in danger of dying ourselves.  It wasn't exciting anymore and we had hardly any time for arguing about semantics like date formats and time-zone issues.  Even the vandals couldn't get a change in.  Anyhow, the longer you have to wait for something the more dramatic it is.  Like when Ian Paisley holds his first meeting with Gerry Adams.  I hope old Yone Minagawa gets to 2008 before dying so that she will be 115 --Rye1967 14:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, whose side are you on exactly though, my dear friend? Extremely sexy 14:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have emailed my answer as I don't want my personal political opinions documented on WP :) --Rye1967 15:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay: I hope to my Yahoo account. Extremely sexy 15:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

What are the chances that at least one of them dies before my birthday? 124.180.16.217 08:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * When is it? Extremely sexy 15:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 11 days after you. 124.180.16.217 09:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Being May 13th? Extremely sexy 21:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

OK: Florence Finch died Apr. 10 2007, the next day. 'Happy' now? <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; color:#ff0000;">R <span style="color:#006688; font-family:arial, helvetica;">Young {<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">yak <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica;">ł <span style="font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:x-small;">talk } 04:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose he is, but I'm not. Extremely sexy 12:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Gertrude Baines
Age currently listed as 112 years and "351" days. But it is only 4 (actually 3 here in New Zealand!) days till her birthday. Perhaps someone could correct this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.184.34.40 (talk) 01:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
 * I just corrected it. Thanks for pointing out. Mhwu 06:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Spanish Supercentenarian in the late 19th century?
In the "list of Centenarians" under "Relative of someone well-known", someone listed the Duchess of Dúrcal, wife of José Ramón Rodil y Campillo, a spanish general and statesman. She is listed as born in 1788 (her husband was born in 1789, so her birthyear seems right). But the year she died is said to be 1901! So she would have been 112 or 113. Could that be right? That would mean, she was the oldest woman in the world at the time of her death. Many age records would have been broken earlier (first 112h birthday, etc.). I could not find something on the internet about her, except this listing on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.137.122.210 (talk • contribs)

Hello anonymous! I guess you didn't type your signature as 4 tildes (~). Funny, her name is mentioned twice in only 2 Wikipedia articles. Google searching her name, lists just the 2 Wikipedia pages. Could such a person be that anonymous? Well, I'm guessing her name has an alternate spelling. As her name isn't even mentioned in her husband's Wikipedia page..oh. If she isn't mentioned outside of Wikipedia, then..well, Wikipedia is a collection of outside sources. I guess we could try to search her name in other such engines as well. As far as being the oldest person in the world at the time of her death, that would be true. Neal 15:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)