Talk:Oldsmobile Achieva

Luxuriousness of the Oldsmobile Achieva
It's widely known and well-cited that the historic Oldsmobile Achieva was marketed as and considered a luxury car in its day. So let's end this debate once and for all. Thanks, just my two cents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.204.118.130 (talk) 00:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You are wrong to say that the Achieva was or is a luxury car. I have some links for you to consider.
 * MSN Carpoint Carpoint says, "... the Achieva is Oldsmobile's entry-level car." and "... positions Achieva against high-volume imports like Honda Accord and Nissan Altima", neither of which are luxury cars.
 * Classic Oldsmobile Site Classic Oldsmobile specifically lists Olds that are considered luxury; Achieva is not in the list, it is in the compact car list.
 * Please, please, please - leave this alone. I've spent way too much of my time on earth wondering if you've gone and screwed the article up again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.133.105 (talk) 02:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Compact?
There's no way a car that is longer than the BMW 5 Series E34 in overall length can be considered a compact car. The Achieva is 187.8 inches long, and the E34 is only 185.8. Remember, the 5 Series has been a mid-size car since it was born, so how is an Achieva considered a compact? Probably EPA standards, or... 166.137.191.38 (talk) 00:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The US standards vary depending on the classifying agency. NHTSA uses vehicle weight while EPA uses combined interior and cargo volume. With a curb weight of 2,917 pounds for a 1998 4-door, the Achieva is just under NHTSA's 2,999-pound cutoff for a compact. With 102 cubic feet of interior volume for the same car, the Achieva just barely qualifies as a compact rather than a subcompact. (Compact cars have a combined interior volume of 100 to 119 cubic feet under the EPA classification scheme.) Neither agency considers overall length in classifying a car. ObtuseAngle (talk) 00:32, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I know but that doesn't make sense. Interior space is nothing but room. Weight is nothing but to push something. Length is what's important. The Oldsmobile Intrigue is a mid-sizer and is 195.9 inches long, but compare that to the new Chevrolet SS, which is a full-sizer and is 195.5 inches long. 166.137.191.28 (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, your POV is that length is what is important. Add a reference from a reliable source or it is just original research. Bahooka (talk) 03:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * This. 166.137.191.34 (talk) 04:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read Identifying reliable sources. That is just some sales site. Bahooka (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)