Talk:Olga Sukhenko

Importance as it relates to WikiProject Ukraine
What do others thing, is this really a "low" importance article with regards to Ukraine? CT55555 (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * User:Cameron Dewe you did the original rating, I wonder what you think? CT55555 (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I usually assess the importance of articles about individual people involved in individual crimes as "Low" because these articles usually only inform and extend their respective fields by a small amount and are relatively interesting only to specialists. In many respects this is a provisional assessment made in the absence of the opinions of others. The importance of some articles may only become apparent after they are initially assessed and there are further developments. If you feel the article is more important, now, by all means increase the ranking. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. I think it could be medium. But it wasn't a loaded question, I'm genuinly unsure. I'll see what others say. CT55555 (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Please also consider that when I first encountered this article it was proposed for deletion, so somebody thought it even less important than I did and not even notable enough to be worth keeping. The importance scheme suggests that a "Low" assessment means a Subject is mainly of specialist interest while a "Mid" assessment means a Subject fills in more minor details. So I would approach the importance assessment this way: The article about the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is rated Top. Within the context of the invasion, the Kyiv offensive (2022) is rated High, while the Battle of Bucha hasn't been properly assessed, yet, it should probably be assessed as Mid, like the article about the Bucha massacre, which does have a Mid importance assessment. So, as this article only fills in one small aspect of the Bucha massacre, it should be of similar or lesser importance, which suggests a Low assessment is reasonable. A Mid assessment would also be acceptable, especially if this article were to fill in other details not connected with the invasion. This is a somewhat subjective exercise in any case, so either importance level is reasonable to me. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 11:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I find everything you said reasonable and fair. I'm going to be bold and change it to mid. If anyone else reading this disagrees, I welcome more input and am open minded to be challenge on this. CT55555 (talk) 13:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Bucha massacre?
I was the one who added the section about her death to the Bucha massacre. That being said, now that I look back I think that I might have misunderstood something. Her death is almost always mentioned by news outlets in the context of atrocities in the suburbs of Kyiv (including Bucha) but not immediately connected to the massacre. Sukhenko seems to have been murdered in a separate incident, which was (as well as Bucha) an episode during a series war crimes in the outskirts/suburbs of the city of Kyiv. For instance, according to ABC News:
 * When Russian troops arrived in Bucha in late February, they asked everyone for documentation and forced the men to strip down naked to reveal any tattoos, according to Pavlyuk. They immediately shot and killed anyone whom they deemed a threat, without asking any questions, he said.
 * The mayor of the nearby village of Motyzhyn, Olga Sukhenko, and her family appear to have met the same fate. ABC News witnessed their lifeless bodies in a wooded area.

CBS News:
 * Ukrainian officials and local residents have said the mayor of a small town, along with her husband and son, were executed by invading Russian forces that had until recently occupied the area. Mayor Olga Sukhenko and her family were shot and thrown into a pit in a forest behind a plot of land with several houses that the Russian forces then took over in the town of Motyzhyn, they said.
 * [Five paragraphs later] Ukrainian forces showed the grave in Motyzhyn to journalists as international outrage over another alleged Russian atrocity in the Kyiv suburbs grew by the hour. Ukraine's President Volodymy Zelenskyy visited the town of Bucha on Monday, where he saw first-hand evidence of mass-killings allegedly carried out by the Russian invaders. A regional official said about 300 civilians were massacred in Bucha before Russia pulled its forces out of the town late last week, many of whom were buried in a shallow mass-grave.

Sydney Morning Herald
 * [after several paragraphs about Bucha] Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said the mayor of the village of Motyzhyn, in the Kyiv region, was murdered while being held by Russian forces.
 * The images of the bodies of mayor Olga Sukhenko, her husband and son and that of a man believed to be a Ukrainian serviceman, half-buried in a pit are too distressing to show. The pit sits behind a plot of land with three houses where Russian forces had slept and the killings appeared to be executions from close range in retaliation for not collaborating with the occupiers.
 * Vereshchuk added there were 11 mayors and community heads in Russian captivity across Ukraine.

News.com.au (which puts these events best in context):
 * Neighbours said Russian troops occupying Motyzhyn, 30 miles west of Kyiv, tried to win the support of local officials and butchered them when they refused to collaborate.
 * The horrors emerged after Putin’s forces retreated from the Kyiv region back towards Belarus.
 * The mayor Olga Sukhenko, her husband Igor and son Alexander were reportedly kidnapped on March 23, The Sun reported.
 * [.......]
 * It came as reports emerged of Putin’s butchers executing tied-up civilians and leaving bodies strewn on the street in Bucha, near Kyiv.

The Guardian
 * Summary
 * It is now 2am in Ukraine.
 * Ukrainian troops retook the entire Kyiv region, and were met with shocking devastation upon their return into the area: bodies in the streets, evidence of execution-style killings of civilians, mass graves and slain children.
 * Among the dead were reportedly Olha Sukhenko, the head of the village Motyzhin, and her entire family, all of whom were taken by Russian troops on 25 March.

Ukrinform :
 * After Kyiv Region was liberated from Russian invaders, the head of the village of Motyzhyn, Olha Sukhenko, and her family members were found dead.

I don't think she died in the Bucha massacre, she could have been killed in a massacre, but not the one in Bucha. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 22:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)