Talk:Olgivanna Lloyd Wright

You've got to be kidding me
You've got to be kidding me. I have just started this article, and I am working on editing it. It is based on a few lines taken from another website, yes; does that make it copyright infringement?? Hardly. I am still working on this article and it deserves to be heard. It's just awfully hard to finish editing when it seems like the "Wikipedia community" is opposed to its general creation.. it is important to not let the "negative aspect" of "speedy article deletion" overcome genuine consideration of this article's (and it's subjects) general worth and interest to society. Sometimes, important nuggets of information that may have been over-looked by the general public will be of continued interest to scholars, especially when it comes to TITANS like Frank Lloyd Wright and Gurdjieff.

This article obviously has merit and should not be deleted. Instead, it should be ideally edited (and improved upon) by the same people calling for its deletion. Mr manilow (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep your chin up Mr manilow. Wikipedia is full of spiteful jerks. Typical that they would like to sweep the contributions of women under the rug. I quit editing for years from people reverting instead of improving. Thanks for starting this article. 72.143.224.247 (talk) 04:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

my own quotes
I just discovered that my web own page is cited and quoted in this article, a thing that I did not initiate. I stand behind the facts on my page, but I've changed my own description (I'm not a "Taliesin insider") and removed a block quote I just don't think is appropriate in tone for Wikipedia (Olgivanna as "stone hottie"). --Lockley (talk) 06:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

She cannot be Serbian dancer if she was born in Montenegro to Montenegrin parents. Wikipedia should be purified of Serbian hegemonistic texts that denounce existence of Montenegrin nation and people that exist for over 1.000 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.222.13.131 (talk) 23:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh for God's sake, put a sock in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.84.148 (talk) 15:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Bias
It's not just the material in this bio but the level of bias. Frankly I have no use for the last Mrs. Wright for many reasons. But quoting Stalin's daughter, Svetlana Alliluyeva, a Russian, why she might not have appreciated Olgivanna Wright is like asking the hen why she might not like the fox. Svetlana was Wesley Peters wife. Peters and Svetlana had issues in their marriage, probably in no small part due to Olgivanna so there was no love loss between them. So aside from a particularly nasty dislike between a woman who was part of the elite class in Montenegro and Georgia, and the daughter of Joseph Stalin, Svetlana had her own axes to grind. I was told that my article was rejected because my subject was unworthy and because of bias. Yet the quotes in this biography are highly prejudicial and biased. I believe Olgivanna was intelligent, manipulative and knew almost nothing about architecture, but then Mr. Wright chose her because her personality suited his needs.

Peacock terms
The last paragraph of the article consists almost entirely of subjective opinions and the article contains unencyclopedic phrases like "maternal strength" that must be removed, so I've added the appropriate tag. Matuko (talk) 22:14, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I have removed the paragraph. The language is borderline essay/unencyclopedic, and it had been tagged for references since 2016.Dialectric (talk) 22:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Frank Lloyd Wright Marriages
Frank Lloyd Wright was only married twice, not three times as Wikipedia suggest. I was a docent for many years at his home in Scottsdale, Arizona. I interacted and knew several of the original apprentices of Frank Lloyd Wright. He married his first wife Catharine 1889 and Olga in 1928. He never married Maude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.131.11 (talk) 04:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, he did marry Maude.
 * Here's a link to one of the newspaper articles, from 1927, regarding their years-long fight over the divorce:
 * https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045462/1927-06-21/ed-1/seq-4/#date1=1927&index=3&date2=1927&searchType=advanced&language=&sequence=0&words=EVENING+Frank+Lloyd+STAR+Wright+Wrights&proxdistance=5&state=&rows=20&ortext=&proxtext=Evening+Star&phrasetext=&andtext=Frank+Lloyd+Wright&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1
 * The article was from The Evening Star, June 21, 1927. "MATRIMONIAL TROUBLES OF ARCHITECT CONTINUE", from the Associated Press. It begins, "Miriam Noel Wright, wife of Frank Lloyd Wright...."
 * This is the continued fighting that the 2nd Mrs. Wright had with Wright, trying to get him to cease his relationship with Olgivanna (his future wife). Marykeiran (talk) 17:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)