Talk:Oliver Hazard Perry

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The Army National Guard has a Camp Perry that is named after him. The location of this base is in Port Clinton, Ohio.

it is apparently attributed to him "We have met the enemy and they are ours" -- Oliver "Hazard" Perry Dwarf Kirlston today


 * Yes, that's correct. It's covered already in the article. He wrote that phrase in his official report on the Battle of Lake Erie. Jinian 16:23, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

What about "Don't Give Up the Ship!" Something about his motto and his flagship transfer during the Battle of Lake Erie should be included. DirectorStratton 15:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * No. He didn't say that. That was James Lawrence who later died and his crew did, in fact, give up the ship. The flagship transfer is covered in the article on the actual battle, but if you'd like to include some here as well, be bold. Jinian 01:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Minor edit: first, I found a period painting of Perry that looks better than the engraving/drawing posted previously. Second, the phrase DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP was tagged to an article about a game with that title, when it should have been about the flag itself (there is no article about the flag). I have also capitalized the phrase as it is written on the flag. The painting of Perry also includes the flag. Carajou 05:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

born died
Was Born Agust 23. Died Agust 23. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.110.73.58 (talk) 00:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

portrait
here is a public domain portrait of Perry, if anyone is interested (pub pre 1923)

http://books.google.com/books?id=4xcUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA253&dq=%22Henry+W.+Shoemaker%22+photo&lr=&num=20&as_brr=4&client=firefox-a&cd=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Congressional Gold Medal
The Medal itself should be an expanded a part of this article, with a photo of the medal. See Alexander Macomb (American general) for an example of how this was done. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 14:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC) Stan
 * Now that we have that neat portrait, we need a rendition of the Congressional Gold Medal in the article. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC) Stan

Barbary Coast
The Battle of Derne article has more on what he did in Tripoli.211.225.34.183 (talk) 03:38, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Lede
There's no need to list all of the campaigns on the Great Lakes in the lede, but I'd add a sentence or so about the dispute with Eliot as that gets a fair amount of coverage in the main body.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done.    7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 15:22, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Sarah Alexander and William Wallace
The first paragraph that says Sarah is a direct descendent of William Wallace may be wrong.

The link points to the Scottish leader of the 1200's but his page says nothing of any children. Google also doesn't seem to make any mention of a relationship of Sarah and the famous Wallace. The book citation does say otherwise though.

Should the William Wallace page be changed to mention kids? Is there some other discrepancy? Slothman32 (talk) 08:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, all I know is what the source cited in the article says. WP:RS, not WP:truth. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 19:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Sarah was not a direct descendent of William Wallace. Multiple geneaology sites trace Sarah's ancestry to Richard Wallace, the brother (or step brother) Williams father Alan .

Some accounts report that Richard sheltered William from "the authories" when he ran amuck as a young man. Nilpad (talk) 21:39, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * In addition to the sourcing question (which might suggest we should delete the word "direct"), does the William Wallace reference belong in the very first paragraph of the article? This isn't really a central part of his notability; I think it would be more appropriately moved to the "Family" section, as in the article about his brother Matthew C. Perry (where, I note, the assertion is that his mother was a "direct descendant of the uncle of Scottish patriot William Wallace"). --Arxiloxos (talk) 18:33, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Arxiloxos, I agree. Do it.  It was an interesting bit (of trivia), and is hardly central to his notability. So just move it.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Done, and thanks. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:54, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Page needs work
The bibliography and reference sections need work. A bibliography is a list of books used as references -- it is not a grouping of inline citations which are supposed to be listed under 'References'. Also, 'Cite book' should be used once per book, in the bibliography, not stuck in the body of the text, and then referred/linked to with cite-tags : Author-name, 19XX The 'blockquote' was used incorrectly with the signature floating about outside the quote box area. Attempted to fix but was reverted only to see another error take its place. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Suggest you consider using the sfn format. Bon appetit. 7&amp;6=thirteen (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 22:38, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

" Don't Give Up the Ship" should be attributed to Capt. James Lawrence
"Don't give up the ship" attributed to Oliver Hazard Perry. See Captain James Lawrence, Wikipedia. According to this account, honoring his friend and fallen comrade Captain James Lawrence, Oliver Hazard Perry adopted James Lawrence's saying, "Don't Give Up the Ship" and put it on his battle flag. Kristin Augustine Christensen, ancestor of James Lawrence — Preceding unsigned comment added by FleetGhost (talk • contribs) 21:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It is so attributed.
 * Perhaps you missed this:

"Faithful to the words of his battle flag, 'DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP' (a paraphrase of the dying words of Captain James Lawrence, the ship's namesake and Perry's friend."
 * Hope that assuages your concern. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 21:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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More prominent than his brother???
In what alternate universe is O Perry better known than his brother Matthew??? If for Japan, if nothing else? <b style="color: magenta;">Aristophanes</b><b style="color: teal;">68</b> <i style="color: teal;">(talk)</i> 03:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

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