Talk:Ollanta Humala/Archive 1

Newspaper
About a year ago, the Movimiento Etnocacerista handed me a newspaper named "Ollanta." The webpage of this paper, which hasn't been updated in years, can be seen here. Anyway, about a month ago I saw the same newspaper, with the same exact format and tagline ("The Nationalist Press that Peru Needs"), only it had been renamed "Antauro." Has the Movimiento Etnocacerista abandoned Ollanta? Are they supporting his more radical brother? There is also a building with a very large banner in Cusco that simply says "Humala Presidente" and has a picture of Antauro. It also has the symbol of a political party. I don't know what party is backing Antauro, but its symbol is a bean-shaped seed sprouting a plant. Is Antauro actually running against his brother? --Descendall 22:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I know Antauro Humala is still in prision and facing trial for his rebelion on Abancay. He attempted to run for congress under a minor political party, but the JNE rejected his candidacy in the grounds that he is facing trial. Messhermit 00:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I think that there may be some truth to it. My cousin, who is Peruvian (as in actually born and raised their not Peruvian-American) told me something a bit similar. There was a difference though, he said it wasn't Antauro but another one of Humala's brothers. But I am pretty sure that there is at least another Humala brother running in the election. Other things of interest is the father of the Humalas, Isaac Humala. He put all his children in military school from early on for 'amor de la patria'. Some links, the second one is an interview with Isaac Humala on Peru.com  -Jersey Devil 22:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It is correct: Ollanta Humala and Ulises Humala are running for President in 2006. Ulices is more identified with Antauro, and has declared that his brother Ollanta no longer represents the radical change that Peru needs. Messhermit 00:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, and here is a source (Yahoo News in Spanish) confirming that -Jersey Devil 06:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

IP edits
There have been some IP edits that I am considering reverting. I'll wait for comments. On a side note, it is ridiculous Wikipedia policy to continue to allow IP's to edit articles.-Jersey Devil 21:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It complement some points, but also promotes some POV. Messhermit 00:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

"Andean Stormtroopers"? This guy seems to be adding POV left and right. The only thing of value added is some stuff about Isaac Humala who was in fact a Communist lawyer who put his 7 kids through military schools. I'm going to revert most of the POV stuff, if anyone has a problem with it you should voice it here. If you check, the same IP is also making edits in other pages related to this page-User:Jersey Devil 05:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Links don't have to be NPOV, and it's not like the guy is only adding stuff from the right -- he also linked to the Maoist El Diario --Descendall 03:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Links can be POV, and in that sence I would say that they must be readed by a wikipedist and determine if they are POV or NPOV. I would not say that Maoist newspapers are the most reliable ones... Messhermit 05:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * To be fair, El Diario seems to be more moderate now. At least they aren't the clear mouthpiece of the Shining Path anymore like they used to be.  But in any event, links can obviously be POV, even extremely POV; after all, we do link to the campaign's webpage.  The one blatant NPOV violation that I saw with the IP was the reference to Ollanta as an "ideolouge."  That kind of language is obviously loaded. --Descendall 08:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Human Rights Violations?
The following was recently added to the article:
 * Humala has also been accused of torturing peasants under nom de guerre "El Capitan Carlos" ("Captain Carlos") during the 1980s. While he and the PNP have denied the accusations, and that he ever used such a pseudonym, his brother Antauro Humala recently stated that Humala certainly used such a name during their activities.

Is "El Universal" a reliable source? I've never heard of it before. And are there any other sources which back the claims?-Jersey Devil --Jersey Devil 01:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

An Update, I've found these articles in La Republica about it. -Jersey Devil 02:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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"El Universal" is not a reliable source but the case of Ollanta's Human Right Violations apears to be a true case. Because the army has burned all documents about the case to protect its officials. About reliable information, you can find it in : "La República" "El Comercio" "Perú 21" "RPP":

http://www.elcomercioperu.com.pe/online/ http://www.larepublica.com.pe/ http://www.peru21.com.pe/ http://www.rpp.com.pe/portada/


 * It should be noted that Ollanta claims that the Flores campaign is behind these accusations, and that the cicha press is acting in collusion with her party. This may sound like a wild accusation for Ollanta to make, but the press in Peru does have a history of spreading misinformation on behalf of political candidates.  Montesinos regularly paid off TV stations. --Descendall 21:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Humala admite que se llamó Capitán Carlos
Humala admite que se llamó Capitán Carlos El caso de los presuntos abusos que habría cometido el ahora candidato a la Presidencia Ollanta Humala, durante su paso por el Alto Huallaga, en 1992, adoptó un nuevo matiz luego de que el propio aspirante al sillón de Pizarro admitiera a un canal extranjero que sí usó el seudónimo de 'capitán Carlos' cuando dirigió la base contrasubversiva de Madre Mía, en Tingo María. http://www.peru21.com.pe/elecciones/macro/video_elecciones.asp?cs=671&n=452781&pag=&tipo=B http://www.peru21.com.pe/elecciones/macro/video_elecciones.asp?cs=671&n=452781&pag=&tipo=B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.82.183 (talk • contribs)

If you actually go to those links and see the Jorge Ramos interview you can clearly see that Humala does not say that he is the "Capitan Carlos Gonzales" which is the supposed person being accused of human rights abuses in Madre Mia, but that he was one of various people who used the psuedonym "Carlos". Also, please do not c&p blogs or articles (which I have removed) into this talk page, that is not what talk pages are for.--Jersey Devil 03:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't you think that just by stating the link would be more than enough? Messhermit 13:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed it.--Jersey Devil 16:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

POV Link Removed
I just removed this from the external links. The title of the article is "Mi Lucha, version andina" i.e., Mien Kampf the Peruvian/Andean Version. And when you go the the article on the subtitle you see (translated from Spanish) "The neonazi ideas of Presidential Candidate Ollanta Humala". This is not NPOV stuff (at least to add with the other NPOV links), some IP added it a while ago and I didn't notice. Probably the same group of IPs who go around adding blogs in the talk pages of Peru-related articles. What do you guys think? Maybe make an "anti-Humala" section for links.--Jersey Devil 02:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * But allowing an anti-Humala section wouldn't be an attempt to portray a clearly critic POV against him? Several of the accusations that he is facing are not concrete and rely on unnacurate sources. Messhermit 15:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protected
I have semi-protected the article. Please contact me or request the page be unprotected.MONGO 02:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Pardoned by Congress section
In the section "Pardoned by Congress", in the final paragraph, it must be said that as a consequence of the January 2005 etnocacerist insurrection, four reservists were killed. At least one reservist was executed while laying wounded. The scene has been videotaped.

Another comments coming from Ollanta Humala's environment:

The mother of Ollanta Humala recently told the press that she would execute "a couple of gays" in order to prevent "indecency in the streets".

His brother Antauro, declared that he will execute president Toledo and all the senators, under charge of corruption.

The same Ollanta Humala, in august 2005, declared that president Toledo was no longer the president and that insurgency was neccessary.

His aide, Carlos Torres Caro, running for the second vice-presidency, declared that he'll ask for life prison sentences for the journalist accused of diffamation. However, two days later he sorried for that declaration.

Finally, the speaker of the nationalist party, Daniel Abugattas, declared that the first lady, Mrs. Elian Karp was a "hija de puta". Because of this declaration, M. Abugattas was removed from the post of speaker of the nationalist party, however, he is still running for the congress. So...


 * EDIT: This peruvian would like to add it was not a "couple". Preceding unsigned comment added by Rastocaza (talk) 01:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Peru's Inca Heritage
The statement "The name etnocacerista itself is composed of two parts the first evoking ethnic identity, particularly a strong identification with the country's Incan Native American origins" needs revision, as the Inca, who used Quechua as the lingua franca by the time of the Spanish invasion, should not be confused as the cultural ancestors of Peru's current Quechua-speaking population. Quechua gained further influence during colonization and through the Church, but the millions of people who have sinced learned the language belong to hundreds of ethnic groups that have little to do with the Inca other than the use of Quechua (which was probably not even the original language of the Inca's ancestors). Kemet (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Time to semiprotect again
I've semiprotected again, because of all the anonymous vandalism. :-( Semiprotection means that anonymous and very recently registered users can't edit the article. Note that all established users can edit; you do not have to be an admin to edit! See template on article page for how to request unprotection. Bishonen | talk 19:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC).
 * It's been a few days, so I gave it a whirl again. The vandalism looked fairly sporadic at the time. -Splash talk 19:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have just tracked this IP (201.230.93.43) that was responsable for vandalism in Spanish Wikipedia. I think that the page should be semiprotected at least until the end of this year, since due to the elections we can expect more of these attacks. Messhermit 02:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Juan Velasco or Caceres?
I was thinking of maybe changing the picture in the "ideology" section from Caceres to Juan Velasco. I think that the Caceres picture might wrongfully imply his connection with the ethnocaceristas with which his brothers are much more closely affiliated. Furthermore, I have seen him echo the name of the Velasco government many times in his speeches.--Jersey Devil 08:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Accidental Deletion
How did this talk page get deleted?--Jersey Devil 04:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * A vandal blanked it and wrote a lign of nonsense, after which another vandal put up a speedy deletion tag. It was mistaken for a nonsense page and was deleted. But all's well that ends well! --Iron C hris |  (talk) 04:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I asked User:MONGO to undelete it. Admins really should be more careful in checking for page history when deleting pages. Do you know which admin deleted the page?--Jersey Devil 04:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I thought it was User:MONGO... Wasn't it? I was actually in the process of writing to him myself, I guess you beat me to it. Iron C hris |  (talk) 04:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * MONGO's name was on the deletion notice that I saw. I assumed it meant he deleted it. Was writing him when it came back up... -- Paleorthid 04:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That vandal tried the same trick on Kambala Girls School, but it didn't work there. -- Paleorthid 04:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Et tu brutus? (Mongo is one of the admins I work with most on Wikipedia :)) Anyway, if you are reading this Mongo, please be more careful in checking page histories for candidates for speedy deletion.--Jersey Devil 04:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

MONGO say sorry...vandal was moving at high speed and was just trying to stay ahead of him.--MONGO 04:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, we all make mistakes ;) good day to you. Iron C hris |  (talk) 05:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

My vandalism
What could vandalism be...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.230.165.192 (talk • contribs).


 * From your IP address you've only made one contribution on this page, so I don't see where your edit was reverted. What particular edit are you referring to?--Jersey Devil 05:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

> http://www.elcomercioperu.com.pe/ecvideos/video/ollantahumala2903.wmv > > este video fue tomado hace menos de un año, para que vean sus nexos con el > partido Socialista!!!!!!.....--LatinGayOne 15:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting video, but I don't think it is a secret to anyone that Humala is supported by socialists and leftists in Peru (and it is the PCP-PR not the Peruvian Socialist Party). If anything the more interesting part of that video is that it shows Humala at a political meeting with his father (with whom he has distanced himself during the campaign) and with representatives of Cuba, Palestine, and China.--Jersey Devil 21:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Tom (as I see this IP has been adding blogs in other Peruvian-related articles) but I just wanted to respond and this didn't seem like the typical blog type comments I've seen in the past.--Jersey Devil 21:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's me; shoot first... Tom Harrison Talk 22:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * hes not really supported by all socialists and leftists, theres nothing more dis-united than the left in Peru, Ollanta might have some left-wing views, but that doesnt mean that all the left-wing supports him, some see him as a authoritarian wanna-be, some support him just because hes not garcia while others because chavez supports him.

Stop Adding Blogs
I don't know where these IP edits are coming from (possibly vandals from Spanish Wikipedia) but I just had to erase yet another one. This is a talk page to talk about things that are relevant to the articles, not blogs! Please stop this immediately!--Jersey Devil 04:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, I just added the info about Issac Humala's comments on Guzman and the other Shining Path leaders. Just incredible. Ollanta Humala had an interview about it, I'll add the audio links to as sources to the article. I also think that we definately have to make some changes to the "Ideology" section as it makes it sound as if he and his brother share very much of the same views whilst Antauro and others consider more radical then Ollanta have criticized his canidacy.--Jersey Devil 05:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: As a random Spanish reader passing through, this comment offends me. Vandals?)


 * Please do not add comments in between other users comments, it makes it difficult to tell who is making the comment. And with regards to my statement, they are quite true. Spanish Wikipedia had to put protection on their page on Humala because of the vandals and this page was on semi-protection until just recently.--Jersey Devil 12:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * For the person who was offended by Jersey Devil's reference to vandals, please read more carefully. He made no statement that essentially connected "Spanish speakers" and "vandals." Whatever connection exists is contingent, not essential. In fact, it's clear from his comment that he does NOT consider the two categories identical. Their being vandals has nothing to do with their language nor their comments, but everything to the way they insert comments between other comments (as this "random Spanish reader" did) or the way they engage in revert wars. Interlingua 05:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Presidential Debate Image
I have just changed the worf "before" with "after" on the description of the Pres. Debate photo. As I saw it through a ".wmv", that scene hapened just after the debate.--Walter Humala 01:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, nice catch.--Jersey Devil 03:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Ollanta´s Political Orientation
Ollanta is consider a leftist because of his admiration to the General Velasco's government in Perú and because of his friendship with Chavez. Also because he wants to make public some private enterprises. (State economy) But this is seen also in Hitler's National Socialist (Nazi) economy. Then the topic that differences socialist measures with a fascist inclination is citizenship. Ollanta is a fascist, in his government only ancient inca's race will have the right to be citizens. Other “races” like white or chinese will have less rights and could not be called “Peruvians”.

Socialist or liberals leftists think this racism is unacceptable. Simplifying the political Peruvian spectrum will be something like this: Left: Socialists, Center: liberals, Right: Conservatives, Extreme Right: fascist

Chimuelfuerte


 * Feel free to add that if you have a source, but I doubt that you're going to find one. No one in Peru would ever say that their "race" is "Inca."  That would be a misunderstanding of the word Inca.  The closest you might get to that is someone who said that their race is Quechua or Serrana.  I would be shocked if Humala said that he was going to revoke the citizenship of people who aren't Serrano, first because that would be extremely radical and second because that would lose him the election -- most people in Lima probably consider themselves Mestizo. --Descendall 21:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The good thing about Peru is that the issue of race is not always an important factor in any type of Elections. President Toledo attempted to gather that (portraying himself as a Cholo) in contrast to President Fujimori (nicknamed Chino) and it didn't succed. He was only able to win the 2001 election because of the overwhelming anti-Alan García vote. I don't believe that Humala is gonna be dumb enought to play that card. Messhermit 15:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I would add to that that simply playing up your ethnic roots isn't really akin to racism and certainly doesn't lead to the revocation of citizenship for everyone else. All Peruvian politicians put on a chullo every now and then -- it's no different than Bush putting on a cowboy hat.  Toledo certainly didn't revoke the citizenship rights of mestizos, and Ollanta isn't going to either.  On a side note, I always think that Ollanta looks a little silly in his poncho and chullo while standing in front of a wiphala -- the guy is obviously light-skinned. A cholo he isn't. --Descendall 18:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Im glad you are positive. I agree with the example of Messhermit that race hasen't played a determinant role in elections before. But that doesn't mean it can play it on this elections or that Ollanta had said it many times. I have seen he on TV. About he being "cholo" i don't think he is because he is not, he is "mestizo".What diferences the case of Toledo saying he is Cholo from Ollanta is that Toledo didn't use the subject of the race like a subject of campain. And that he uses negatively.

Vargas Llosa, Perú's famous writer writes about it. http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200601231434 Chimuelfuerte 02:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Vargas Llosa is not exactly a source that I would call NPOV. He is actually famous not only for his writting skills, but also because of his out-of-context political remarks in Peru. Messhermit 04:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Bringing up the issue of race with regards to the ethnocaceristas is fine. However, as Messhermit pointed out at Wikipedia the foremost important issue (especially with regards to political issues) is keeping them NPOV. And as Messhermit pointed out, Vargas Llosa is not an NPOV source. He is a stanch market liberal, Thatcherite, and ran for the Peruvian Presidency. So he is not an apolitical figure, nor do I think that "Venezuela-Crisis" is a NPOV source. A good idea would be to say "Mario Vargas Llosa, a champion of the free-market, writer, and former Presidential hopeful, says this about Ollanta Humala or argues this about the use of race in political elections.....".-Jersey Devil 10:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I would say that is better to avoid such controvertial quotes. Vargas Llosa is too overrated regarding political opinions. Messhermit 14:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Interstingly enough, the article itself makes corrects a mistake that I find a lot of Americans seem to make: that Latin Americans use the term "raza" in the same way that people from the United States do.  Llosa argues that Humala is a "misti" because his father has money.  You never hear of English-speakers talk about race in terms like that.  A white person who had a poor father isn't considered "black" in the United States.  Since this is the English wikipedia, we should be careful when we talk about the Latin American conception of race.  One other thing -- Llosa doesn't claim that Ollanta Humala would revoke the citizenship of mitis.  He claim that Ollanta Humala's father hypocrtically would. --Descendall 00:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not entirely accurate. "Race" and "class" are no more or no less arbitrary than in the United States.  In the US, color and class typically exist as separate entities (people of any given class is not typically assumed to belong to any given ethnic group since there is a strong belief that while "race" is biological and fixed, class mobility is more fluid).  In Latin America, race and class are elided and often contradictory.  I have frequently heard in Peru the term "cholo" used as a derogatory term for people from the Andean region AND to describe all Peruvians nationalistically.  While it is true that color metaphors exist to describe class with less apparent regard for the physical features of the people described, the abundance of racial terms that have everything to do with physical features, and nothing to do with class, strongly suggests that Latin Americans are no more (or less) color blind than Americans:  negro (strongly African), mulato (mixed white and black), moreno (between negro and mulato), rubio (white, blond), trigueno (white, brunette), indigena (indigenous), mestizo (mixed indigenous and European), zambo (mixed black, white and indigenous) and add to all of these terms "claro" or "oscuro" to refer to relative lightness or darkness of the skin tones within each category (while also remembering that there is acknowledgement of the significant degree of mixture between these "discrete" groups).  I'm not from the area, so I'm sure that my brief description is just scratching the surface.  Kemet 10 April 2006

Calling Ollanta "left-leaning" obscures issues more than it clarifies them. It is hard to see how it adds any information to what is already in the article. 132.204.53.58 22:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

"No one in Peru would ever say that their "race" is "Inca." That would be a misunderstanding of the word Inca." I've lived in Huancayo for almost 9 months now and don't agree with you. Many people I've talked to use the word "inca" as a race and are very proud of their "inca-race". How correct it is is not so important to them as they use it more to show that they're proud of their country's history but not so much the modern corruption. All feelings I got from many conversations, no facts but this is the talking section right? --Tjutberg 15:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Demagogy in Peru works around class-oriented feelings, if it didn't work for Toledo once it's safe to assume that Fujimori did heavily altered results. Last presidential elections were a disgrace with the four higher results being obtained by people of dubious political attitudes (A testaferro to Fujimori, a wanna-be-blender of church and state, a former cause of inflation and this left-right blender) and all appealed to some form of demagogy. The first of my list used the memories of apparent improvement cause by Fujimori (and promised his return), the second relied both on her traditional-right bend and fear of Garcia and Humala, the third used demagogy to promise better life for everyone with his hypnotic speeches while the fourth one spoke nothing of projects, he was all "thy nation, thy race".

Humala worked through hate, much like most peruvian left, he is right wing but like his left-wing allies his ideology (and that of his radical family) is skin-deep. The radicalism both in him and his allies is merely an expression of their gut feelings and desires in a pseudo-rational way, they never stop to digest through them rationally. I've meet enough peruvian left to understand their basic claim is "Marx is right 'cause without food I cannot think". It's clear those would join with a party which says "Traditional politics are bad 'cause whites wont let us eat". Neither understand or are profound in ideology, they just have it as the cryptic coat of arms of their battle for a better life, both for them and for those who, by sharing their common goal, would aid them earn it.

Nonetheless Humala is a leader and he deserves some more credit than mere interest in the welfare of himself and those who will aid him. He sticks to his own kind of fascism as it ensures a stronger grip in any resulting power, but joins forces with anyone who will concede and whom he can manipulate. Can he manipulate Chavez, Castro and/or Morales? At least he thaught they would never manipulate him (he saw them as equals) and he probably hoped to manipulate them eventually, nonetheless their help would be apreciated as they materialize his goal. I doubt he is currently manipulated by anyone besides his wife and either or both lead his rise through sheer ambition all along. His ties to Montesinos could be true, not a puppet 'though but a mercenary working for pieces of power to collect.

Now, before you think I'm biased I must say, I consider myself a moderate left-wing pro-anarchist (i.e. somewhere between slightly to the left of absolute center and out of any lines). He has used race to get bias in his favour for a lot of resentment has been bred from power misuse by an elite heir to european conquerors and that serves a lot on a country which is, primarily, non-european in ancestry. The same resentment lead to the terrorist organizations of the past succeeding and an intellectual banner which lack of education makes mostly shallow in a country where deep culture is a high luxury.

--A Limean 03:44, 18 July 2006 (Peruvian timezone, Lima)


 * WP:NOT a political forum.--Jersey Devil 10:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Good Article
I've listed this article as being a good one because I think it is complete and well-sourced. It does get a little rambly at times and could maybe use a bit of a copyedit (in English, "In/On Month date, year" phrases are followed by a comma), but overall, it's quite good. Cheers! --Keitei (talk) 08:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Again me
Above, "LatinGayOne" states that Ollanta Humala had some connection with the Socialist Party, though, on the video I noticed my aunt (Ollanta Humala) was on a reunion of the "Patria Roja" (the communist one I think) political party. It should also be noticed that the peruvian Socialist Party was founded recently on winter (CA) 2005; but that video is older (2004), so all these things means LatinGayOne is wronged and Ollanta Humal has no connection with socialist party (It would've been good).--Walter Humala 00:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ollanta Humala is probably hiding a lot of things from the world, but this is the first I've ever heard that he is actually a woman. --Descendall 03:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Alonso Vargas
I don't know who Alonso Vargas is, but I know he's not Humala's father. I assume it's the guy who keeps editing this page. Whoever it is knows better, his ISP is Telefonica del Peru. --Descendall 06:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Regional elections results
After the schism of the Unión por el Perú-Partido Nacionalista Peruano alliance Humala's political position was weakened. The results of the recent Regional Elections has been widely discussed, and his future is at least unclear. I have included all of this information with many sources, only to be reverted by Jersey Devil.

I'd like to know the position of other users, because I have doubts about the neutrality of such as a revert. I don't feel biased against Humala, and in fact I feel he has been criticised without basis a number of times; but his latest political weakening has been widely documented and discussed in Peru.

My version was:

He was tipped as a major political force in Peru, but that position was disrupted by his alliance's schism in the Congress and the defeat of his party in the Regional Elections held in November 2006,  where they couldn't get any candidate elected as regional leaders in regions where he had a great majority of the votes in the Presidential elections. Humala's position has weakened, something he has even admitted, and he is supposed to be forming a new party. Preceding unsigned comment added by Elchimba (talk) 14:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Union for Peru or Peruvian Nationalist Party?
Which one is it? From my understanding he founded the PNP but is running under a coalition ticket of the Union for Peru and the Peruvian Nationalist Party. However, the article doesn't make that clear.-Jersey Devil 02:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

He was forced to make a deal with Union of Peru in order to participate in the elections. His party, the Peruvian Nationalist's, didn't manage to get the authorisation (not enought votes) for running a Presidential Candidate from the Jurado Nacional de Elecciones. In these way, Union of Peru launched his bid to the presidency. Messhermit 02:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd actually like to see some information on how this came to be in the article. I, however, have no idea how some no-name party like "Y Se Llama Peru" got on the ballot but Humala, who has a substaintal amount of support in Peru, was unable to even get his own party on the ballot.  --Descendall 16:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say that Union of Peru was a far more neutral name for his ideas. I think that he broke up with the most radical elements of the Peruvian Nationalist Party. Messhermit 17:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * So which was it? Was he forced to make a deal with the UPP, or did he abandon the PNP?  If he just wanted to get rid of the name "nationalist," why does he persist in using that word in his campaign?  I really don't understand the situation.--Descendall 00:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Messhermit got it right. But he was not actually "forced" as in receiving coercion; he had to make an alliance with Unión por el Perú (UPP), because the "Partido Nacionalista Peruano" (PNP) didn't get enough signatures for its inscription. Humala's party was always PNP, but ran for president leading an alliance with UPP (which was related with the moderate Javier Pérez de Cuéllar, ex General Secretary of the UN). After the elections, some members of the alliance disbanded, led by Torres Caro -an elected congressman-. Right now the alliance faces a schism -both parties ran separated on the Regional elections-, and there are some reports that Humala will form a new party.Chimba 22:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Size
This article appears to have been a victim of recentism back during the 2006 election. The "Political career" section appears to be largely about notable (and some not so notable) events during the campaign. These should either be deleted or moved to Peruvian general election, 2006 since this article should mainly serve as a biography of Humala. I'll try to fix some of the problems myself. Khoikhoi 02:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

General clean-up and protection for the article needed
In the following days will come a flood of trolling, please admins mustta react now — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.180.72 (talk) 05:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Reword: enlisted in the peruvian army
in the opening paragraph it states that he enlisted in the peruvian army. if he graduated from a military institute/school and entered as an officer that would mean that he commissioned not enlisted. any reason why this is wrong and should not be changed? 150.192.0.4 (talk) 19:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Drug policy
Here's some info on Humala's drug policy, if anyone is interested in adding a section for it. ComputerJA (talk) 12:55, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

more recent news about Humala is available.
He's running in the 2011 Peruvian presidential election. A recent poll placed him 1st among candidates: he's usually placing in the top 3. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 21:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Assuming it can be backed up by a reliable source (even in Spanish), be bold and add it to the article. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 21:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did it and cited a (I think) reliable source. But feel free to move my additions to a different part of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elapatriota (talk • contribs) 00:55, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks fine. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 09:28, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually I'm not re-adding material sourced to this as it's a commentario. See Reliable Sourcing. Rd232 talk 22:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * This New York Times article seems interesting enough to add, with info about Ollanta Humala's family etc: He May Be Leader of Peru, but to Outspoken Kin, He’s Just a Disappointment by William Neuman, New York Times, August 4, 2012. And while we're on the subject, is calling the president's family members "radical" in the main article really a neutral POV? (I have doubts…) Asteriks (talk) 09:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Top
I believe that the bottom paragraph of this article is biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.140.63.214 (talk • contribs) I see some other people are working on this page as well. Anyway, I am finding it difficult to find information on the early life of Ollanta (even from sources in Spanish), everything I can find is from the 2000 revolt onward. If anyone can find some information on his early life and how he became a solider it would be very much appreciated. There has to be some important/interesting stuff, he was a military officer during the whole Shining Path rebellion. Also, I'm pretty messed up with the whole "image policy" situation, if someone can find an image of Ollanta to find that would be great. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree -- I've edited it to a less biased version. Don't forget that you can do this yourself!  Just click the "edit this page" tab to fix it. Tim Pierce 21:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I added an image and I know it's grainy (sorry guys but I have to save pictures to paint in order to get them as .gif instead of .bmp files and that takes away some coloring from the original image). Anyway, if someone could go on the link to which I got the image (you can find it by clicking on the image, I put it there) and get a clear image of it and put it here that would be really helpful. Thanks.-Jersey Devil 08:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Is the USSOUTHCOM commander Congress testimony proof enough to add the information that he attended the School of the Americas? This information is available in http://www.c-span.org/flvPop.aspx?id=10737438876 at around 1:50:00. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.121.227.234 (talk) 23:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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