Talk:Olympiotes

Disputed
This article is so sloppy and poorly researched I cannot make any sense of it. "The Olympiotes were a group of Greek military refugees. Before the arrival of the Ottomans, they went into the mountains between Thessaly and Macedonia. They even sought refuge in the Straits of Thermopylae. Along with the Roumeliotes, the Olympiotes contributed to the overthrow of the administration of George Capodistrias." Deucalionite, it might help if you shared the literal text of your source with us, so people can try to figure out what this is all supposed to be about. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "The Olympiotes"? Why not define the meaning of that word properly? Obviously, "-iotes" refers to "inhabitants of...". But of what? Olympia? Mount Olympus? (Probably the latter). Why doesn't it state that "the mountains between Thessaly and Macedonia" is just where Mount Olympus is?
 * What's "military refugees"? Who did they flee from? When? Did they remain "refugees" for 500 years? All of them?
 * "Refuge" in the "Straits" (sic) of Thermopylae? When? From whom? How? You'd think it's not a good place to hide yourself...
 * Who are the "Roumeliotes"? (I know who they are, but the reader won't).
 * "contributed to the overthrow...": When? How? Why? All of them? "George" (sic) Capodistrias??

Unfinished business
Use this link in order to acquire the literal text of the source I cited when I wrote this article. Even though I do not agree 100% with the source itself since it dates back to 1843, it nevertheless provides a few details about Greek history I doubt will be found elsewhere.

In case you cannot find the text, this is the citation I used: ...the Olympiotes, from the mountains between Thessaly and Macedonia, who retreated before the Turks and sought shelter within the Straits of Thermopylae, where they remained under their capitani, to the number of several thousands, and mainly contributed, with the Roumeliotes, to the overthrow of the Capodistria administration.

Now you have all the information that you requested from me Future Perfect. I hope that whatever it is that you are going to do to this article, I pray that it is for the best. Deucalionite 19:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I only reverted the article to get your attention Future Perfect. I reverted the article back to your version so that we can discuss our differences. What do you mean exactly by "Not until some actual text can be written and the topic properly defined." Does "actual text" require that the article present information about the Olympiotes dating back to pre-Ottoman times or earlier? The article is just a stub and currently has enough sourced-based "actual text." Also, I don't understand what you mean by the topic needing to be "properly defined"? Isn't the fact that the Olympiotes are a band of Greek military refugees a definition in of itself? I surmise that the Olympiotes might have come from the remnants of the Byzantine army prior to the conquest of the plains of Greece by the Ottomans. However, I have nearly exhausted all of my resources in my attempts to expand this article. And since your questions have not materialized anything useful, I therefore recommend we solve this dilemma at WikiProject Greece and bring in other users to help contribute to this article.


 * I really don't think that this article needs to remain a "redirect with possibilities" (sounds like an insult with a cherry on top). The questions you posed earlier are good, but they really haven't contributed much except taking up space on the discussion page. For instance, you know who the "Roumeliotes" were but did not provide any content that could help improve the overall quality of the article. Deucalionite 20:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "The Olympiotes" are not and were not "a band of military refugees". Olympiotes are and were simply those people who live in the area of Mount Olympus. There are Olympiotes today, there were other Olympiotes in 1830, there were different Olympiotes in 1400 and 1000 and 700. Other than the fact that they all lived in that area they may have had nothing in common. One group of people from that area did something in around 1830. Is the article going to be about that one group, or about all Olympiotes? We have exactly one sentence of sourced content about what they did. We have no sourced information about when they did it, why they did it, how they did it, who they were, what they were, what else they did, what happened before that, what happened after. If you want to write an article, you need more material than a single out-of-context snippet taken from an outdated encyclopedia found in some google search. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You have some serious attitude problems Future Perfect, but I understand where you are coming from. I'll keep searching for whatever else is available. Deucalionite 00:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)