Talk:Omega-level mutant/Archive 1

okay why did someone delete my list and explantion of omega level mutants and just replace it with their own. --Zib 17:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Stop with the constant editing
IMO, and to be bluntly honest, this page gets edited more than porn entries. I've decided to set it up this way to help editors and the like be able to give reasons why they "think" a mutant is an Omega Level. A lot of people seem to be mixing up the difference between and Omega mutant and an Alpha mutant. So hopefully this will at least create of form of unity. But by in large using UXN as a source it's pretty safe to say that Magneto, Charles, Rachel and Apocalypse are Alpha-Level mutants. Originalsinner 03:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

There's all sorts of crap going on here. Can everybody who has an opinion about how this article ought to be, please state what information this article could contain? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 03:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

You're telling me. There was SOOOO much damn speculation and wishful thinking about who was an Omega etc mainly because Marvel hasn't addressed it yet... if they will at all. So I know that it should state what an omega is blah blah... and also who are the only confirmed... seen in print in an actual comic with the word "Omega" or "Omega-Level". I'm not sure whether it should have the "possible Omega's" and definitions of "Alpha/Beta/Epsilon-Delta" mainly coz the other classes haven't been explained yet and that "possible" equals "i think that..." or "i feel that" a.k.a. speculation. Ugh this is giving me a headache again... Originalsinner 08:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Speculatory Fun
OK We've established that unless Squirrel Girl becomes Galacti-Squirrel during Civil War, she is not an Omega.

Others I have my doubts on that have been mentioned are:
 * Sunfire
 * Scarlet Witch - I still reckon it was more magic than her mutant hex powers that created the House of M
 * Professor X
 * Magneto - mainly because of his external power boosts he needed.
 * Magma
 * X-Man - because his powers could burn out although he did kinda transcend at the end of his series.
 * Cable - half n half but may have suffered the same burnout Nate did.

I'm also having my doubts on Vulcan and Mr. M. None of the otherSummers boys are Omega. He may just be extremely powerful. And Mr. M was not mentioned as an Omega in X-Men: The 198 Files or the 198 limited series yet.

Originalsinner 11:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Let's see:


 * Sunfire and Magma don't really seem to remotely come close to being Omega-Level, IMO.


 * I don't think there's a very good case for Xavier, but I can possibly see Magneto as an Omega, despite his enhancements. Since most of the enhancements lie on his pre-existing abilites, that at least implies the possibility of him reaching that level without them. And if Magneto can control particulate matter, possibly on the sub-atomic structure, which has been hinted at, then I think he qualifies.


 * I agree with you on the Scarlet Witch; her mutant power is her ability to connect with chaos magic, it doesn't seem to relate to the amount of power behind it.

Chaos magic was something Wanda subconciously made up to cope with her vast power levels. The recent comics just state she has control over magic. Whether she has control over all types of magic or a specific type is still unknown. But all the stuff she did in the House of M was from her own powers (until someone retcons it). 01:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm unwilling to categorise Vulcan yet, not until we know more about him.


 * Mr. M and X-Man appear to be Omega to me, due to demonstrated abilities.


 * Cable? Hard to say, his character's so complicated. I'm not even sure which Cable's which anymore, I've seen different versions of Cable to different things in different timelines. Who knows anymore? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 22:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Vulcan is clearly stated to be "at least Omega-Level" by Emma Frost using Cerebra in Deadly Genesis #1. There you go. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 23:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Explain this to me
Okay, so an Omega-level mutate is one who can "exist beyond the physical realm", right? Now, I've not read X-men Forever yet, but how the bejeezus can Elixer and Icemans powers let them do that?
 * Howdy, well Omega level is kinda hard to explain since Marvel is so flippant on it at the mo. I know that Iceman was said to be one because he can survive as ice (and as water I think) which means that he can "transcend beyond the physical realm".

Josh (Elixir), was told he was Omega because his healing powers manipulates down to the genetic level compared to other healers who just heal. Does that even make sense? Anyways, I have no idea how he would transcend... maybe he becomes a vaccine or something :P I'll think I'll throw this q over to Tim or Apostrophe. They should answer y'all soon. Originalsinner 21:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I'm just here to deter speculation. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 22:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hah. Now it's down to Tim.  Granted I was only here because the page looked ugly when I first stumbled across it.  I'll see what the UXN forum has to say about it but you're gonna have to wait a bit.Originalsinner 23:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, lucky me. Maybe Elixir could use his powers to alter something's molecular structure, and send his consciousness off to it? That's just a guess...I always thought his was more of the *potential* to be Omega. (Damn you, Marvel, and all your waffling!) -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 10:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

What's with Elixir? His power does not, even in potential, meet any of the criteria, except immortality and that would put Apocalypse and Selene and Exodus on there first. Elixir is no threat. One mention by Beast, should not be enough. It could be throw away. This list should be conservative. Jean Grey and Quentin are about the only ones who've had the name mentioned as Omega a dozen times or more for them in cannon.

Magma's potential seems obvious to me. Like Storm's (and note her evolution during "The Twelve"). But nobody's called them that so they're not. Yet.

The Summers
I'm not sure about this but, isn't basically the entire Summers family Omega level? Cyclopse, Jean Grey, Havac, Nate Grey, and all the other expansions of their family from alternate universes? Or what about Gambit, who it was revealed in his second series I think to be Mr. Sinisters geneticly perfect version of the Summers's gene line. Or something like that. But hell, he was supposedly a god in another dimension (the One Son or something like that)--Torourkeus 20:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Shi'ar
Someone keeps editing this page to take out any mention of the Shi'ar - as if they didn't want to execute Jean, Quentin and Rachel because of their potential to become omega and start destroying Shi'ar planets like Jean (and Galactus - also put on Shi'ar trial) did. What's your problem?

Ultimate Mutation equals Phoenix?
I don't think it's cannon that Pheonix is the ultimate mutation, that everyone is going to become their own Phoenixes. (Is Iceman about to become Phoenix?) It's also been argued, hasn't it, that there is just one Pheonix, and the omega mutant threat is that the Phoenix can use omega mutants as hosts.