Talk:Omelette/Archive 1

Use same terms for Iran/Persia in article
The earliest omelettes are believed to have originated in ancient Persia.[1][2]:65 According to Breakfast: A History, they were "nearly indistinguishable" from the Iranian dish kookoo sabzi.[2]

People may be confused if Iranian is used to refer to ¨Persia¨ in the previous part. Suggestion: either add (what is now Iran) after Persia or replace Iranian with Persian. Please let me know if this suggestion is not possible to make, and the reasons why the current sentence may be better as I am a new user and I don´t know much about wikipedia. 18:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4100:10E2:929:A907:35ED:9F78 (talk)

jam omelette?
What is a jam omelette? 117.216.31.10 (talk) 18:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)Eggy

Image
Can anyone please add a prettier picture. This omelette doesn't exactly look appetizing, much less is it suited for reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clay Juicer (talk • contribs) 08:51, 26 July 2008 (UTC) The Denver Omelette picture is very misleading as well. 2601:244:4600:6214:DC18:75B6:5B14:1FF (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Spanish omelette
I'm not sure what is meant by

-- Spanish omelet is an omelette served with an often spicy sauce, etc. --

Is this a plain omelette served with a sauce? Presumably, it is an American designation like the preceding "Western omelet". In European English, a Spanish omelette is exactly the same thing as the "tortilla de patatas" already described here. -- Picapica 17:51, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * noted and contextualized the definition. 24.19.184.243 13:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Expansion request
I love omelettes, any chance of expanding this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.30.140 (talk • contribs)
 * If you have citable information to add to this article, you are free to do so. Meeples 05:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

French omelette
Seems not to say anything about French Omelette ? data64 02:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Scrambled
In the "Escoffier Cook Book", Escoffier says, "...that it should be borne in mind that an omelet is really scrambled eggs enclosed in a coating of coagulated egg." I assume that this was written before the Julia Child quote and therefore might be better attributed to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.232.185 (talk) 15:16, 30 October 2006

Karo
Did u knew that karo is the omelettiest omelette du fomage in the whole world, even more than the ones in the pictures, and that is why she is the one and only ms. omelette du fomage? Did u knew that omelletes du fomage are sexy And i like omelettes du fomaage x 90... okeey.. 97! =)

Did I miss something here? Consideration for deletion of this portion of the article? Anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rx787 (talk • contribs) 07:30, 7 December 2006

Indian omelette
The Indian omelette is a run-on sentence, and is also a recipe - not a description. Lib3rtine 13:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Parmesan
Omelettes are great with parmesan cheese. I'm eating one right now, comtaining sausage and cheese. Ghost of starman 16:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Frittata
...Seems to me that several of the photos in this piece are of frittatas, not omelettes (i.e. the filling has been allowed to "set" within the eggs, not folded up inside). Anyone else noticed this, or does anyone agree? Snarfa 22:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Spelling
Why does this article use both spellings of omelette? Example:

...in the village and to prepare a huge omelet for his army the next day.[1]

On March 19, 1994, the largest omelette (1,383 ft²) in the world at the time was made with 160,000 eggs... --SonicEarth (talk) 03:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Milk? Water?
Forgive me for raising such a sensitive topic, but in the US (at least), most omelettes have milk beaten into the eggs. (Some people use *shudder* water.) Is there a reason that milk is not mentioned in the article? :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.5.226 (talk) 21:20, 3 January 2008

My understanding is that water creates more steam and puffs up the eggs far more than milk will, and from my cooking tests this seems true. Try just a little bit of water in the eggs next time you're making them rather than milk. Anyone have a source they could cite for this?--Talroth (talk) 23:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

My skillet will tell you, but I can't quote it. Water does indeed make a fluffier omelette, and it also creates more "bubbles" that need to be punctured while it's cooking. Typing Monkey - (type to me) 04:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

omelette vs omelet
Someone recently edited the article to claim that "omelet" was an invalid spelling. I just changed the article back.

"Omelet" is an acceptable spelling according to both dictionary.com and wiktionary.org, so it should be acceptable. Viltris (talk) 08:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The shorter spelling isn't there now except in the external links, where it appears to predominate. For the record, both spellings are correct. Oxford American and American Heritage actually have "omelet" as their principal entry, with "omelette" a variant. This may be partially a British-American spelling difference, but I can't verify that just now. I have no preference for either spelling, but both clearly belong in the lead. "Make it so," says Capt. Picard; Rivertorch obeys. Further research welcome, but please let's discuss before changing it to omit either spelling. Rivertorch (talk) 06:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Asian omelets...
Egg foo yung (or Egg fooyong) is a sort of omelet, and should probably be mentioned and linked from here.

Additionally, there's a whole paragraph on Japanese omelets, but no mention of Tamago, or the fact that they have specialised omelet pans, and treat the eggs very carefully (strain the eggs through a wire strainer to remove chunky bits of the white, add sugar and soy sauce before cooking, cook at a really high heat in thin amounts, folding back to prodice a layered effect...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.122.211.215 (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean "Tamagoyaki" (aka, "dashimaki tamago" or "atsuyaki tamago")? Tamago literally means egg, so it can be misleading. There's an entry in wikipedia about tamagoyaki, so maybe link the two articles... Shu ster (talk) 15:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It states under omelettes in Japan, "Okonomiyaki contains flour and is cooked on a hotplate Teppanyaki style, is often compared to an omelette." I'm Japanese, and I've never heard of the okonomiyaki being compared to an omelette. Where was this info derived from? I also found it mentioned in the wikipedia article for okonomiyaki, but there was no source cited there either. I've heard it being compared to pancakes, but not omelettes. Shu ster (talk) 15:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thai omelets, transliterated as Khai Chiao, or often Khai Jiow, are always made with fish sauce ("nam pla"). That necessary ingredient should be mentioned in the article along with Sriracha sauce, which is a frequent but not necessary addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.182.192 (talk) 00:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

French omelette
I am French. We do NOT use mint to flavour omelette. It might be an english recipe (english are very fond of mint as a cooking herb - yes, I am currently living in Great Britain). It should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.104.182 (talk) 12:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Of course not. It have been corrected. Julia Child, given as reference, was an American celebrity cook. Warrington (talk) 18:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The French Omelette description refers to an "American Omlette" which does not appear to be listed as a variant. Is it intended to claim the regular Omelette as an American invention? D.C.Rigate (talk) 15:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

History?
Any info on when exactly omellete was "invented"? This article seems very shallow for such a culinary delight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.216.107.217 (talk) 01:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Lead section
I moved the following text out of the lead section:

Illustrative of the definitional boundary question as to fillings is the exchange between a waitress, played by Wendy Thorlakson, and John Cusack's character, Marty, in Grosse Pointe Blank, wherein the waitress maintains that Marty’s order of an ‘egg-white omelette’ with ‘Nothing in the omelette, nothing at all’ is, by the waitress’ definition, ‘not technically an omelette’. Though the scene fails to fully resolve this issue, Cusack’s character helpfully notes its potential intractability, while finessing the matter by observing ‘Look, I don't want to get into a semantic argument, I just want the protein, all right?’

Not sure where in the article it should go, if anywhere, but it definitely doesn't belong in the lead section. In fact, most of the stuff there should be moved out, really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.110.73 (talk)


 * It does seem a bit trivial. If someone really thinks an "Omelettes in popular culture" section is warranted, it could go under that. Regarding the other content, the lead section is the only regular section at this time (the "Variations" section being sort of list), so it's hard to know where else it should go. Rivertorch (talk) 08:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Tofu?!
An Omlette is NOT a tofu dish. There are people who stick Tofu into anything, it does not mean that it changes the original/traditional definition of a dish. Else the Thanksgiving Turkey article would list it as a "dish made of poultry or Tofu", or hamburgers as "patties traditionally made of pork, beef, vegetables or Tofu". Funny vegans trying to take over language, get real :-) --SeeFood (talk) 12:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * For the record, this comment probably resulted from an edit (now reverted) that changed the lead to define omelettes as being made from egg or tofu. I agree that it didn't belong in the lead, although it could well merit a mention further down in the article. WP articles should reflect reality, not idealized culinary purity. Rivertorch (talk) 18:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and in reality omelettes are made from eggs. The tofu nonsense was from a radical vegan advocacy site. We don't need that on any and all pages involving animal products. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.124.26 (talk) 01:34, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Restructuring the article
The article should probably start off with what an omelette fundamentally is: eggs fried in butter. That is an "omelette" in the same way a "pen" is a writing device, regardless of the ink's colour or however its ink is fed.

Then there should be mention on deviations/embellishments/etc from the fundamental recipe, like describing how ball point pens may have caps, have clicking buttons etc.

118.90.0.39 (talk) 09:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, forgot to add. The French WP has a good quote on what an omelette should be (by Auguste Escoffier); if someone can check out the source then it can go in the intro, like in the French version of the article.118.90.0.39 (talk) 09:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Refimprove
The tag was added in March 2008 with 3 references; there are now 8. I feel this is sufficient and the tag should be removed.--TParis00ap (talk) 22:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Tag removed. Hyacinth (talk) 10:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Invented in Persia?
This seems a very precise claim - especially for one with no reliable sources or well known public knowledge. Besides the whole concept of cooking eggs for food was made much more popular by the Ancient Sumerians in Mesopotamia - before which it was more commonly eaten raw. I will change it to "Invented in the ancient near-East" at least that way it's a lot more unspecific and therefore sensible for something unsourced. Please reply on my userpage, as I don't seem to be getting any notifications from topics. Hope that's not too much troouble, cheers all. Pink Princess (talk) 14:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

"Omelet" not "Omelette" is now the correct spelling
The Merriam-Webster dictionary has changed the spelling to "omelet".(See this link: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omelet) Please change the spelling of the article's title to reflect this. I don't know how. Lechonero (talk) 21:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * WP:COMMONNAME doesn't require the "official" spelling of a particular version of English, it needs the most commonly used one, which is what the article currently has. ( Hohum  @ ) 01:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I have still more commonly seen it spelt as "omelette". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Fillings for omelettes
It is quite common in the United Kingdom for omelettes to have fillings such as cheese or mushrooms - the article does not really clarify this. It does mention cheese at the start of the article, but it does not mention mushrooms as a potential omelette filling. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Additionally, omelettes are not 'made with cheese' in the United Kingdom; omelettes are made without cheese. If you add cheese then you're not making an omelette - you're making a cheese omelette! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.231.28 (talk) 18:51, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Slowly cooked
Some thicker and smoother omelettes contain milk and are slowly cooked at a rather low temperature. However, the article seems to imply that an omelette is quickly cooked (in the introductory section)... 76.10.128.192 (talk) 16:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Compared to most forms of cooking, omelettes are indeed cooked very, very quickly. Even a low-temp omelette will take no more than a few minutes. Unless you're talking about cooking them sous vide, which honestly I've never heard of and I think wouldn't really qualify as an omelette due to lack of fluffiness. → ROUX   ₪  21:02, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I realize that this is an old thread, but an update: it seems that this detail was since removed, solving the issue. The omelette types that I'm familiar with (inherited from French cuisine) typically cook between 15-45 minutes; the exception being pancake-thin omelette to wrap around other ingredients, which can cook in approximately 5 minutes.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 00:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)