Talk:Omra

Is this page supposed to refer to the Umrah ? If so, such a page already exists. MP  (talk) 09:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Explanation ?
Hi Geo Swan. You still have not explained why you think this page is superfluous. And the mysterious external link has not been justified either. MP  (talk) 11:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I believe you are correct. On my personal talk page you asked me the relevance of the external link:
 * ''* Al Shammeri's sworn statement, page 15 of Al Shammeri's, Combatant Status Review Tribunal
 * Simple. I was reading the unclassified dossier of Abd Al Aziz Sayer Uwain Al ShammeriAl Shammeri, during his sworn testimony before his [[Combatant Status Review Tribunal, had spoken of "Omra".


 * ''"Also I had met an Afghani man on one of my trips to the "Omra" whose name was Mohamed and he lives in Iran.


 * '"The translator clarified "Omra" is when you travel to Mecca for worship. You can do it any time of year, except for the designated time for Hajj.


 * So, I looked for the wiki article on "Omra". I didn't find one.  It sounded important, so I started a stub, containing the information from his CSRT.


 * The official translators at Guantanamo, and possibly elsewhere within the US military, transliterate a number of names and words inconsistently. They transliterate "Osama bin Laden" as "Usama Bin Laden".  They transliterate "al Qaeda" as "al Qaida".  The translator's explanation of Omra differs from that in the wikipedia article Umrah, but I am convinced your suspicion is correct that Umrah is what he meant.


 * The US military conducted CSRTs on close to 600 individuals. Presumably they transilterated Umrah as Omra in all of them.  I don't think Omra should be deleted.  So I think "Omra" should be redirected to "Umrah".


 * FWIW I don't think you completed all the steps to make your filing an {afd} for the article complete. FWIW, I personally think the {afd} procedure is one of the wikipedia's gravest weaknesses.  I've started many articles.  None of them ever got filed for {afd} until I started writing about the Guantanamo detainees.  Writing about the detainees triggered bigotry.  One wikipedia contributor, an administrator no less, wrote that the topic of Guantanamo detainees was, in and of itself, "anti-Ammerican".


 * I don't know what your experience of {afd} is, but you might considered waiting a day or so after leaving a note like you left on my talk page, to give people a chance to respond. Defending an article as it goes through {afd} can be extremely unpleasant.  Let me encourage you to considering saving other wikipedians the stress of going through that process unnecessarily, by giving them an informal chance to explain themselves prior to initiating the {afd} process.  --  Geo Swan 11:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)