Talk:One-third hypothesis

Suggestions
Quote from the article: 'The OTH actually involves two mathematical curves. One represents the likelihood that a subgroup of a specific size will emerge; the other is the probability that it will persist. The product of the two curves is the one-third hypothesis.'

In my opinion, it would add a lot to the explanation if there was a graphical representation available. An image says more than a thousand words :)

ziLverDIStel (talk) 10:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Text removed
I have removed text from this article claiming examples of the one-third hypothesis in the origins of the American civil war and the 2011 England riots. While these may well be accurate demonstrations of the theory, we cannot make that connection ourself - it would be original research. We can only report when the theory has been referred to by reliable sources. Robofish (talk) 22:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Robofish. I agree with your assessment and your conclusion that the text should be removed from the article. Now I have been bold, and have restored that text here on the talk page so people interested can still read it. This is a solution I have before in similar cases. However if you have a problem with that, please let me know and feel free to remove it again. -- Mdd (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for inviting me to comment on this. I'm not sure though, I still tend to think the proposed text goes too far in terms of original research, and that it's missing sources which make the link between the one-third hypothesis and these alleged examples of it. We need a third opinion here, so I'll go and make a post about it at No original research/Noticeboard to see what other users think. Robofish (talk) 00:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * There is misunderstanding here: I do agree with you. The text should not be in the article. As a compromise I have added the text to the talkpage. My question is if you agree with the text beeing presented here (on the talk page). This was I solution I used before in an other article, and I was hoping it might be a solution here as well. -- Mdd (talk) 00:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my mistake, I didn't read your post carefully enough. In that case, no, I don't have a problem with the text being kept on the talkpage. Robofish (talk) 00:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks you. -- Mdd (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Original research
The following section is removed here from the article, see here and moved here by me, see comment above. -- Mdd (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Early research and recent prediction
Competition and conflict are not the only examples of the one-third hypothesis. Nothing prevents cultural and intellectual movements from being viewed in this context. The timely effects of the one-third hypothesis, for instance, can be scarcely overlooked in the Harlem Renaissance (1920-1930). In 1920 the African-American population of central Harlem reached 32.43% and by 1930 climbed to 34.82% in greater Harlem.

A situation will arise in 2011 that may well test the OTH anew. By then, one-third of London’s population will be under the age of 25, and one-third of the total population will be composed of persons who visibly belong to an ethnic minority.

Possible verification
Whether the 2011 Tottenham riot was an instance that verifies the hypothesis remains to be seen. The resulting 2011 London riots, with no apparent connection other than youth under the age of 25, are a strong indication of subgroups nestling within larger groups. As members interact with each other more and more frequently, the intensity of their behavior increases. Some become violent, a great many fewer become brutal, and a tiny fraction become vicious. Reaction to the rioting ranged from vigilantism in some neighborhoods to voluntarism in others, in an effort to clean up London. In Birmingham a mourning father appealed for calm and his plea was heard.