Talk:One Piece (English adaptation)

Work in progress
Bare with me for a few days, this is work in progress. I apologise for the poor page standards and will work to get this up to Wikipedia's stands ASAP. Angel Emfrbl 08:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

NPOV Edit
This article was way too POV; I'll spare you the details (compare edit versions if you want to see specifics), but suffice to say that "for no apparent reason", "supposed", and links to websites called "Moogle Cavern" and "Anime Cauldron" do not belong on Wikipedia. I realize bold edits like this one cause debates, so if you have a problem with my edit (beyond an honest mistake on my part, of course), please bring it up here instead of reverting the entire page. -67.163.21.39 06:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That was me. -Unknownwarrior33 06:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've written them down as commentary instead, which is what they were orginally written down as when the info on this page was on the main One Piece page. Don't know if that helps.  The bit from Moogle Cavern is gone now.  I reread that one and agreed with you.  The Anime Cauldron one brings up a few points that we can't write here and voices a fan opinion of the series.  For reference sake its needed, as its one opinion of the series.  The one about the differences between the verisons, again needed for the 'edits' bit to support or show what has been edited.  The interview with Mr Kahn is arguable whether it is needed or not I'll agree that.  [[User:Angel Emfrbl|
 * What's Wikipedia's policy on dealing with a large chunk of POV info? It has info but it's POV, so is it a delete or change? We COULD try to add in some praise as well. But findign praise for it is VERY hard.
 * So take my other suggestion... Remove 'critism' or rename it. ;) Angel Emfrbl 13:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried to expand on the critism a little without going too deep and loosing it neutrality, I kept it as basic as I could and didn't nit-pick on what the details of any critism from fans are. It is difficult to handle and I'm tempting now just to say 'forget it we should leave that bit out'.  There is also the possiblitiy of renaming it from 'Critism' to 'Fan reaction' which would allow us to write a bit more, but then the section gets away from a neutral stance so again I'm not sure on that.  I also seperated the misc information from the critism bit.  Angel Emfrbl 10:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Over?
http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=179749

Is 4Kids dub over? Darien Shields 01:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. As the person who was sent that e-mail, I can confirm that this is true. Yashouzoid


 * The problem is that a forum post isn't a reliable source. I'm not sure why ANN would cite it.--69.141.190.230 06:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I must admit, I am somewhat leaning towards saying this whole thing may not be as true as we've all been led to believe... But not the end of 4Kids One Piece. Its not unknown for a company to change its mind, since sales on DVDs and TV ratings were fairly high and this is with the protests coming from the fans of the Japanese version.  Plus on top of it, there were voice actors selected for the pirates carnival game that have not been yet seen in the dub.  Would 4Kids choose these guys to do voice acting without intendsion to actually use them for the character?


 * Plus many new episodes appeared in the UK America hasn't seen yet, that sort of thing doesn't happen. Usually some time after the UK, when it is lucky enough to get them before America, it is shown in the US.  Its also not unknown for TV companies to have breaks in airings while a series produces more episodes or other stuff.  I've seen it before.  4Kids is not a company who would simply drop a successful series and everything after dubbing so much.  I'd go on but there are forums to talk about such stuff like this.  I'm just pointing out things are not always what we are led to believe.  Angel Emfrbl 07:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Christmas must be early.Anyway to the critisism,or more importanly to the left "apendeges riped off"-Shanks losing an arm is SO vital in the series (on a lesse scale as Zeff,they probably couldnt figure out any other reason why he would stop being a pirate) that they just Couldnt edit it out without geting Oda seriously mad.New Babylon

Question
Why did 4 kids stop doing the one piece english version now and not wait to 2009 when the license expires?shirleybiscuit


 * If they did, it was because it was costing more money to produce then it was bringing in, in terms of merchandise and television revenue. Same reason any other show gets canceled.  Right now, the only indication on our hands that they have stopped the English production is a forum post on the toonzone forums.--130.156.198.72 02:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Question
Why in one piece there were more violence like references to death, a gunshot and blood if it was by 4 kids for the younger kids?Shirleybiscuit


 * I'm not quite getting at your question here?... Overall 4Kids seemed to have brought the series for its populaurity (one of the most) not its contents. It was a show for kids (but not their age rating I might add) which is why they had to 'correct' that part through all the edits.  At the time, it was showing on a channel that doesn't allow the ref. to Death - Full Stop!  It went over to being shown on Cartoon Network after that.  The rules on that channel were slightly more relaxed.


 * I guess that could be the reason, others may be they just were slipping up or got lazier or it got expensive to make so many edits. But those would be speculations.  If you ask at forums, you'll probaberly get more answers outside of that.  That sort of thing is a question more for that kind of site.  Arlong Park would probaberly be the best site to ask, if not there are others you can find out there.  Angel Emfrbl 08:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's guidelines
First of all, Wikipedia is not a soapbox. This place is for discussing the article itself, not the article's subject.

Secondly, Wikipedia is not for original research. A forum post talking about an e-mail is not a reliable source, especially when so many people want 4Kids to stop dubbing, no matter how many people claim they got it. Every source I've seen is traced to the forum post. We should not say that the English production has officially halted until 4Kids sends out a press release, or removes the show from http://wwww.4KidsEntertainment.com I mean, when they dropped Pokémon, they gave a formal announcement to it, and removed the show from their site as soon as they lost the rights. However, OP still remains, and I have yet to see an official source confirming the cancellation.

So what I'm saying is, stop putting in the article that it is officialy cancelled like you are 100% certain. Use words like "supposedly" and "presumably". If anyone else tries to say it's done for sure, I will probably put a vandalism warning. Matty-chan 20:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah! Someone who talks some sense!  This is what I've been at recently, everyone JUMPED to conclusions, however part of me can't accept a forum post.  I've been saying it on wikipedia and on fan forums.  There is NO WAY a employee would just release a e=mail like that.  For one - I've NEVER got any e-mail I'VE sent back from them.  And I've sent quite a few asking for info on the series. Angel Emfrbl 21:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * ...You, my friend, are a dream come true (and by that I simply mean I didn't think I'd ever meet someone who talks sense). I have gone through the article and altered everything I could to stop it from seeming that the show is officially cancelled. I almost got into an edit war on the 4Kids Entertainment article when we were categorizing it. I've been going around fixing all this stuff, and putting up vandalism notes. Matty-chan 01:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay I have to ask it - if 4Kids say their dropping it... Why are there new episodes due? Someone tell me now they are dropping it. I'm now sure its fake. If they are dropping it, it doesn't feel like they are now does it! This is why you can't rely on forums for info, ANYONE can make up trash. Maybe its still true, they are dropping it, but not soon it seems. Angel Emfrbl 11:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Question
Why did one piece episodes 77-104 show only in the UK but not in the US?Shirleybiscuit


 * I have no idea... Sometimes we get episodes of shows ahead of the US. It happened a few times with Teen Titans.  Aside from experiment and reaction testing, I can't think of any explaination why we got them first.  The other explaination I can think of, is something happened and the channel showing it in the US either ran out its license to show it sooner, or simply had scheduled something else in its place sooner.  But I can guess all I want.  Perhaps if you used a forum for these discussions, you'd get more ideas.  But to date I can tell you at least this much here on Wikipedia - There is explaination known as to why it happened.  Angel Emfrbl 10:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please don't talk about this stuff on Wikipedia. It is not a soapbox. This is for discussing the article and ways to improve it, not the article's general subject. Matty-chan 14:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

question
What new episodes of one piece will show in the U.S on February 3?Shirleybiscuit
 * I haven't seen a source anywhere. I better put it up there because this might qualify as original research. Matty-chan 14:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I found a citation - http://www.toonzone.net/schedule/index.php?browseNetworkID=13 Matty-chan 01:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Question
Is it true that 4 kids has unoffiacially stopped dubbing one piece.Shirleybiscuit

It is unofficial that they stopped. Matty-chan 06:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's official now... the show has been removed from 4KidsEntertainment.com. Matty-chan 01:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Finally at last we have the facts now and don't have to rely on some e-mail someone posted on a forum. Angel Emfrbl 07:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The show being removed from the website isn't a suitable fact/citation. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What makes you say that? Usually when they remove a show it means it's done (e.g. Pokémon, which was removed as soon as 4Kids was done with it). What else could it mean? I mean, every bit of evidence that the show has ever existed has been removed from 4Kids.TV and 4KidsEntertainment.com, including the official US site (Kingofthepirates.com, which now redirects to 4Kids.TV), except for a few images of Luffy on the latter, as well a list of shows in the Properties section, but Pokémon is still there too. Matty-chan 01:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:REF. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 05:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Outside the website, one of the US anime magazines (name slipped my mind) also mentioned it. If I can find the name, I'll write the reference.  It also was not afriad to say "contraversal dub" which means we can use that too here. Angel Emfrbl 07:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikification
OK, apart from any NPOV issues this article might have, it has been marked to be wikified. In the interests of speeding this up, I added a wikification "TODO list" at the top of the talk page. Again, disregarding any NPOV issues which may or may not exist, there are only two things that need to be agreed on: Please, let's do this thing - this article has been marked for wikification since September! Scraimer 23:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Do the images in the article fall under "fair-use" guidelines? Can we use them? (Personally, I accept the reasoning the pictures have attached to them. Does anyone object?)
 * 2) Are there any more formatting (not content!) changes that need to be made? Are there links that should be added? Such as links to articles in the Wikipedia, to references, etc?

Merger
It wasn't done for a big announcement, but apparently the Manga and Anime English adaptions pages were merged into one article. No one bothered to move the manga info off onto this page so its been done. Now we have a lot of work to do, we got two relevent articles on the same page that both were more or less in need of improvement. On the one hand, it now gives us a chance to crack open a few eggs we never had before, on the other its now a lot more info to handle. We need to find someone to look at this article (I merged the articles and adapted the headers... I'm not good at whole article reworkings) and see if they can make the page flow smoothly. Angel Emfrbl 07:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Reference for end of 4Kids dub
I now have found my note of the name of the magazine I found confirmation of the 4Kids ending. It was "New Type Magazine" (website: http://www.newtype-usa.com/issues/index.php?itemid=337#more) on page 118 of the Feb 2007 edition. Confirmation also the lack of a uncut version being made and that there is hope of a new company taking over the dubbing. Dubbing stopped at 104 eps...

Also they used the word "contraversal" (if that is spelt wrong, my mistake not theirs) to describe the reaction to the dub if anyone is intereated in writing that down. I didn't. So now we have a reference to slap onto that stuff. Hope that makes a few people happy. Don't know if I've written the reference down on this page very well, I only know the basic reference coding. Sorry. Angel Emfrbl 16:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

question
Is it true that one piece anime is just reverted to bandai now? 71.250.107.54
 * That doesn't even make any sense. Why would Bandai have the license in the first place? --Julian Grybowski 03:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I gather, last offical word on 4Kids and One Piece was they dropped it. I'm watching the US anime mags (which isn't easy considering I'm from the UK) to see whats new.  If theres a change of license, it will be mentioned in one of them sooner or later.  08:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Question
Why must most of the sections on this talk page have the title "Question"??? --NukeMTV 03:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Page redone
Okay I reworked the manga section so it now reflects the same layout style as the anime section. It has been long overdue such a edit since it was added to the page. I've removed ALOT of critism as well that was scattered in the text to make it a lot more neutral. Now the only critism is in the "critism" section. Lets keep things organised now folks. Angel Emfrbl 16:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Explaination on order
Okay heres a expla on why I put the page in its current order:


 * Manga - The manga was written by Oda first so I figured it was better this way. According to the article the manga also was released first in the US over the anime. If its wrong, it needs correcting.
 * Anime - Now I'm not sure which came first, Odex or 4Kids... I wanted to start with 4Kids and run onto the Funimation section since it followed afterwards... This  seems natural to me and most logical.  Trouble is Odex didn't follow Funimation... So I put it before the two American dubs for that reason.

But on a mental note: Where are the starting dates for Odex and Viz manga? We SHOULD have them... We do for Funimation (rough one) and 4Kids. Why not for those two? Angel Emfrbl 18:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

A few questions
I have a few questions to ask. Was the editing on 4Kids' adaptation very similar to that of DBZ (Dragon Ball Z) (i.e. removing blood, violence, music, and so on, and so on, and so on)? Also, what is Funimation (the owner of DBZ) going to do with the DVDs from episodes 1-144? Thanks. Sjones23 19:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay the DBZ thing is due to TV rules... Against certain things, so we will see simulair edits over all the TV animedom with only time of showing and company general editing varying.  And they are thinking about doing the earlier eps.


 * You should really ask at a forum. These are forums type questions afterall.  Look up Arlong Park forums... You'll be able to get answers to your questions there.  Angel Emfrbl 22:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I will go to the Arlong Park forums to discuss there and I agree with your comments. Thanks. Sjones23 23:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Trademark?
I don't think you can actually have a trademark on the name Zorro, since it's just Spanish for 'fox.' and common words can't be trademarked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Funimation's promises
Apparently they're going to "continue" to turn Sanji's cig into a lollipop.. but CN's newer episodes aren't even doing that anymore!


 * Read the article... Its nothing we didn't know. Angel Emfrbl 09:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

STOP!
I thought I made it clear last time, Wikipedia is for discussion of the article and ways to improve it, not the article's subject. If I see one more discussion of the article's subject I will be forced to blank any irrelevant discussions. Matty-chan 21:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I had this same problem on the Luffy page and got told to stop telling people to be quiet... I know the feeling. I was trying to end a non-wikipedic discussion because it was going too far off track.  Angel Emfrbl 22:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Shorten articles
Okay, this has got to end. We've got a HUGE list of censorships and other junk on this page. This page BARELY holds any neutrality. The solution - shorten and cut the cruff out. Basically reduce the things in each section. We don't NEED to give out example of every instance of a change. Na-ah. So this week I'll be trying to sort this out. This is the same problem that haunts all One Piece pages and it has to end some time - this will be my starting point. Otherwise things will get out of hand. Angel Emfrbl 22:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism, Criticism, Criticism....
Wow. This article is too POV. There is like a criticism section after everything....I dont know about One Piece, so I removed what was blatenly POV. This whole article needs a re-write from soneone who knows how to write from a NPOV standpoint. THROUGH FIRE,  JUSTICE IS SERVED!  00:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Strickly speaking, the critism can be backed up by two magazines and rewritten how they put it (which does not say fans hate the 4Kids dub, only that they have disagreesments with how it was done). I have called for the stuff 4Kids have done to be shortened, but with no aid to that.  Tempatation is to completely scarp the page and rewrite it leaving out all but the information on the details of each companies handling of the show/manga (leaving out what was edited/changed).  It seems to be the only way to keep it NPOV at the moment.  But I won't be doing that any time soon due to other things (due to prolonged problems on wikipedia, wikipedia editing wikipedia is last on my list).  Angel Emfrbl 07:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

POV Removal
This entire article is unquestionably POV. I'll be going through to delete all the POV criticism, and leave it to those with a better knowledge of the subject matter itself to write a more appropriate entry. Whether or not you like the edits doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Mention WHAT was changed, that much is truth, but let the reader make his OWN decsions. It is not the point of Wikipedia to make it for them.--WingedOutlaw 02:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Be my guest. I always look at this page in awe... There is so much editing that needs to be done to it, if you know where to start go ahead as I don't have a clue.  I often am tempted (which you might do) just to remove all the edit references.  What else do we need other then info on the publishers + critism/reaction from fans which the latter is debateable.  The rest is void info and we have linked to a site on the differences. The major problem is here is the fans KEEP adding not needed info here.  We get this a lot n the One Piece pages.  All the character pages need work also.  Angel Emfrbl 07:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I have a request. If you do this, can you compact it down two to no more then two paragraphs on each adaption?  Thats one manga (Viz) and 3 dubs (Odex, 4Kids, FUNimation) keep them in this order though.  I'd like to merge it back onto the main One Piece page.  It was orignally seperated because it was in this mess and didn't do the main page any good being there.  But there is no point in uness. pages and it has been called to be merged before.  The handling of the info has always been a problem stopping it from a merger.  There was also no one willing to sit down and work on it.  .  Angel Emfrbl 07:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I might be able to do it. I did a similar project for school once. Matty-chan 13:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Finished. How's this? Matty-chan 13:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This looks excellent. Greg Jones II 15:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ditto thoughts! Your 100% brillant at this kind of thing (better then I can do the say to least, only good at making articles bigger, not smaller)!  Now it can be remerged with main page and we can loose this wikipedia page. :D Angel Emfrbl 16:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Remerged with main page... Now, hope upon hope comes to me that no one will be tempted to repeat the awefulness of the page. The info will have to be monitored.  This is the first step to progress with the OP pages in a while.  Hopefully there will be no complaints over this merger, like the others... -_-' Angel Emfrbl 16:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)