Talk:Onimusha

Spoilers
Please warn before adding spoilers,the game is now ruined for me,thank-you.


 * It's not like the story of this game is anything out of the ordinary. It's rather simple and superfluous.

Genma Onimusha
I am curious, why the article doesn't differentiates between the upgraded Xbox port from the original PS2 title? Even if it is a port, there is enough new content (and a change of titles) to make a mention of it.
 * If you know what information to add please do so. I never played the Xbox version and all I know is that there is some doll that follows Samanosuke around, well, that might even be untrue. hansamurai &#39151;&#20365; (burp) 13:20, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * I apologize for not being of any help, but I don't have any idea on how to format text or how to redact the information to comply with the encyclopedic standard. The article is nicely done as it is, and I really don't want to disrupt it with my general noobness. If it is of any help, I'll list the main differences between Genma Onimusha and Onimusha Warlords:


 * Increased general difficulty. The number of talismans and soul absorbers has been increased to balance that.
 * Minor graphical enhancements (anything metallic has a reflective look).
 * 5.1 surround sound.
 * Two new areas: a second Dark Realm and the Ogre Tower (complet with a new boss battle, the Guardian).
 * A new type of soul to absorb: The Green Soul. Get five of these and you can activate a temporal invecibility. The catch is that enemies can also absorb green souls, turning into more powerful versions of themselves.
 * An entirely new set of armors (Ninja Suit,Metal Armor and Ogre Armor).
 * The location of items are shuffled around from the original.
 * A new type of normal enemy was added.
 * Orbs and weapons are now upgraded simultaneously.
 * You can charge your weapon and magic attacks to inflict greater damage.
 * New unlockable content after finishing the game.
 * And last but not least, the infamous Ayame Doll. She is a little porcelain doll that sprouts huge claw-like blades and pursues Samanosuke through the game. While she can be considered a mini boss, she is actually tougher than most of the boss battles in the game, thanks to her powerful attacks (one which is unblockable) and ridiculously high stamina. She can be compared to "Mr X" in Resident Evil 2 and the Nemesis in Resident Evil 3.

Info Boxes
I added info boxes for all the games, please change any information that you find incorrect but I double checked most of it so it should be right. hansamurai &#39151;&#20365; (burp) 03:44, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Blade Warriors and Tactics
I swapped the two game's position because it left more white space near the bottom of the article than in the middle. We also aren't technically going in chronological order before with Oni 3 before the two spinoffs so I can't see any harm it will do. If you think it's unjust, be bold and change them back. :) hansamurai &#39151;&#20365; (burp) 03:44, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Split
I'd like to propose that this article be split into articles for each game, with this article being about the series as a whole. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 11:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Might as well. Other games are like that too. Thunderbrand 23:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with the suggestion to split the article. Each game has it's own story to tell, I doubt that just a paragraph or two can sum up a game, and I doubt that just one article can cover the series as a whole.Jin Jae 01:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

True True. All of the sections have enough content to survive on their own. I also agree that the split should happen in order for more general content to be filled. --Link25 21:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Onimusha Dawn of Dreams
"Soki, is a completely original creation who wields" is that propagada speech? - 23:25, 6 September 2005 65.182.32.3

The game actually features a hidden 2-Player cooperation mode. Press R1+L2 at the title screen on both pads simultaniously. Then press the start button on the second pad. You will hear a jingle.

Jubei Yagyu in Dawn of Dreams
Has this been confirmed? It says in the article, that he makes an entrance in Dawn of Dreams, but I was thinking that it might have been a mistake, since there's a heroine named Jubei and a villain (or anti-hero) named Munenori Yagyu. Someone might have mixed the two names together, and voila, Jubei Yagyu. Hecko 00:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There are two Yagyus in this game. One is Munenori Yagyu, the antagonist, and he doesn't carry the Jubei name.  However, Jubei Akane Yagyu, Soki's ally, does.

-- Yes that appears to be a mistake, Jubei Yagyus grand daughter does feature in it though.

--Yup, in fact, Munenori was depleted as antagonist and watchdog of the both Toyotomi's Clan and The Genma Triumvirate in the game, compared with his true historical-self. According to the historic record, he is indeed a heroical swordsman that hold up the dignity of his family. In the other hand, however, Akane, whom ascended the title 'Jubei' in the game, is actually Munenori's niece. She probably just an imaginary character, or maybe she indeed exist within the Yagyu's Family, according the official historian's record, but only as a very minor figure with another name and not Akane, due to inequality society between Men and Women during the era of Feudal Japan, which a female, or lady was not allowed ascending the title of a warrior, instead their rendered to the position of a household, or Geisha. (Art-Performer). Louis Liang 12:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The part about Samanosuke becoming a monk.
I know the evidence in the end cinematic of Dawn of Dreams is compelling enough to tell that Tenkai is Samanosuke, but is it necessary to introduce the idea at the end of the Onimusha 3 section?

In the fourth game, Samanosuke, whom has taken the Buddhist title of Nankobo Tenkai, is known as the Red Onimusha, and it is most likely that this name was given to him because he wielded the legendary Genma Samonji.

What do you guys think?

Oh, and I'm thinking of cleaning up the article, as in grammatical and spelling errors, as well as tidying the information up.

Ohatsu's powers
Ohatsu channels the blood that is tied to the previous genma lord, her uncle Oda Nobunaga, which is where she inherits her abilities from and it has nothing to do with the Oni.

She got her powers through Nobunaga? How is that possible?? Nobunaga was a human that got “turned” into a Genma lord. Do you just automatically get powers from the Genma just because a family member had got them??? Because that doesn’t seem too make any sense at all.

Infobox details for individual Onimusha titles
I have three problems with this page. For one, it says in the info-box for Onimusha: Warlords that it was released for the Playstation 2, PC, and Xbox, but the release dates only mention where and when the PS2 and XBX versions were released, but the PC versions date for any regions, if it actually happened, isn't mentioned. So if somebody can find and edit this info in, I would appreciate it. The second error is in the info box for Onimusha 3: Demon Siege. It says the release dates for various regions for the PS2 version, but it only says one of the release dates for various regions for the PC version. It does say "December 8, 2005" but that was the Japanese release date of Onimusha 3 for PC. It doesn't mention the North American or European release dates of the PC version. The PC version didn't hit North American shelves until March 16 and the date might or might not have been the same for the European release. For three, there are three publishers for the PC version depending on what region of the world we're talking abou, not just two. If I'm not mistaken, the PC version was distributed in Japan by Capcom themselves, distributed in other East Asian nations (including Hong Kong) by Typhoon Games, and distributed in North America and Europe by Ubisoft, which is the piece of publisher info missing here in the Onimusha 3 info box. Somebody needs to edit all this in too. Vgamer101 20:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Oni Gauntlet
Oh lord the grammar in this entry is painful... I'd guess it was a direct translation from Japanese. I don't even know where to start editing, short of a rewrite of the first third or so...

Genma Clan
Can anyone here give me some information about the Genma Clan in Onimusha ? Thanks in advance. NJB

-The Genma aren't a clan. They're a race.--84.12.80.8 02:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Listen to This
This is what someone had to say about all this info.

''Ooh and stop quoting from Wikipedia, it's hardly gospel. And I'm tempted to believe you are the one who's been 'contributing' to the Onimusha Wikipages.''

What do you make of this?


 * Well that person is an idiot.

Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny makes me cry.
The page Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny was, quite frankly a total mess, rediculously so. (see here for the original version) It contained next to no viable information and looked more like a game manual than an encylepedia page, and as such I have pretty much blanked it and left it as a stub. If someone would care to write a decent article, as I have no knowledge on the subject. Rehevkor 16:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

What is an Oni
Someone explain it to people who don't play the games. --207.233.79.52 23:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should play less shitball (football/soccer) -_- Anyway the oni on Onimusha are a clan of Ogres, yup i think the Oni are Ogres, that have been subverted by the demons. Rick Shan

Names of some of the Genma characters
Should it be mentioned somewhere that the names of some of the Genma characters (Guildenstern, Fortinbras, Marcellus, the Reynaldo monsters from the first game, Gertrude, the true names of the Genma Triumverate) are all names of supporting characters in the Shakespeare play Hamlet?--90.197.199.151 (talk) 20:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes. This article is a complete and utter FAIL. Too much fantalk.

Move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Onimusha (series) → Onimusha — Per VG/GL. Plus the first game in the series isn't called simply "Onimusha". ӣicҟin \\ talk with me \\ \\\\\\\\ 02:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support The first game in the series almost always should get the article (while the article on the series should have the "series" disambiguation). I am only supporting this move because none of the games in the series are just called "Onimusha", and the first game in the series is "Onimusha: Warlords".  TJ   Spyke   23:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Rewrite
Plot into something at least remotely comprehensible, characters to include at least all playable characters and maybe also the main antagonists. --Niemti (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Stuff from the old article
Central to the first and third major chapters of the Onimusha franchise (and to a lesser extent, the fourth chapter) is what is known as the Oni Gauntlet. This is the gauntlet that was given to Samanosuke Akechi in Onimusha: Warlords and was created by the power of the council of the twelve Oni Gods. It absorbs souls, gives power to Samanosuke's weapons and changes the color of the orb in its center to match with that of the corresponding weapon, allows him to achieve an Oni Awakening, and is capable of functioning with other Oni items such as the Oni Army Orb.

Yagyu Jubei's mystical parentage through Takajo enabled him to use Oni power without the need for the Gauntlet. This was also repeated with Soki, who was revealed to be the reincarnated Oni God of Darkness. However, while Samanosuke and Jacques both had Oni Gauntlets, only Samanosuke could become the Ultimate Onimusha. It is likely that Samanosuke was chosen by the twelve Oni gods enabling this, while Jacques was granted power by only one of them. Because of this, he was only able to transform into one form. Additionally, Jacques' gauntlet began with a red sheen, turning to gold as it gained more power.

In the third game, Samanosuke had been sent to modern Paris. Thus, his gauntlet had reverted to its original bluish color, and all of his previous weapons (Raizan, Enryuu and Shippu) were lost since he was in a different timeline. However, he was able to restore his gauntlet to its true potential by reabsorbing more souls, regaining new weapons (namely Tenso, Kuga and Chigo). Later, he was able to fuse the power of his gauntlet with the gauntlet of his alternate deceased self, when he returned to a slightly alternate timeline. This gave him two gauntlets, thus allowing him to achieve his Ultimate Onimusha form. After defeating Nobunaga, he absorbed the Genma Lord's souls. Unlike the souls of other Genma, these were a dark-hollow, green color that gave the gauntlet and its gem a dark red sheen. This symbolized that the gauntlet had sealed away the essence of the Genma Lord. This was also the reason he had to seal the gauntlet away. Years later, as the God of Darkness was reincarnated as Soki, Samanosuke lost most of his power as the Onimusha. Thus, the Oni Gauntlet lost all its potential, turning his hair grey within a short period of time after losing part of the Oni Mystic Power. The only power that remained in the Oni Gauntlet was the sole power of the Genma Lord retained from Nobunaga.

In the fourth game, Tenkai/Samanosuke utilized this power against the Genma Army and even achieved an Oni Awakening with it, before it was transferred to Soki. At that point, Nobunaga's power was unsealed in the final duel against the resurrected Fortinbras. This Oni Awakening was a result of the Genma Lord's power since that was the only power left in the gauntlet, explaining why he was not able to use the same moves or the same weapons that he did in the previous games.

Each Onimusha has their own special weapon. While certain warriors blessed with the power of the Oni such as Jacques can access different weapons, it is only the Onimusha who can receive this weapon when they unlock their true Onimusha form. For example, Jubei Yagyu from the second game had an arm cannon in his left hand that released lasers and Samanosuke had the Onimusha Sword which glowed with a rainbow-like color when it was powered up. It transformed into the Genma Samonji later in the fight with Nobunaga by absorbing the dark essence radiating off of Nobunaga's sword. In Dawn of Dreams, Soki had a red sword, known as the Requiem Sword, on his back which was launched through the air and used to purify/damage his opponents. However, this particular blade was only physically wielded as a dual weapon when he was in his true (combined Oni, Genma Lord) Onimusha form. Soki's True Onimusha transformation also includes led "Ultimate Critical", where Soki would swing both swords in massive speed and attack his enemy with his energy channeled through the blades.

Another central theme to the series involves the main protagonist as the Onimusha fighting against the forces of the Genma Lord. Both personages are polar opposites of each other and represent the unending struggle between the Genma and the Oni Clan. Many of the main Genma are named after characters in Shakespearian plays. The Genma are a very diverse race, with many different types of monsters falling under this name. The Genma are best considered as not as one species, but a collection of different species, including humans that have become corrupted by their power such as Nobunaga. The Oni race, on the other hand, does not seem to be as diverse. If one accepts the character of Takajo (seen in Onimusha 2) as an Oni, she proves that they can appear angelic, as she is seen flying in the air bathed in a white glow, with the body of a beautiful woman with a serpentine tail. However, certain theories denounce her as an Oni, instead classifying her with a different mystical race related to or associated with the Oni. In fact, all twelve known Oni Gods appear to be male, which further substantiates this.

As for the Oni gods themselves, one has been seen in Onimusha 3: Demon Siege, while giving the character Jacques a new Gauntlet, and had a humanoid body with a ghostly appearance. However, a document that is found in the Oni Undersea temple in Onimusha 3: Demon Siege shows sketches of Oni that resembles the appearance of Takajo's serpent like form and it shows another one that seems to be a male. In the fourth game, it was revealed that the God of Light Fortinbras created the Genma and while God of Darkness produced the Oni. Though he died in Onimusha: Warlords, Fortinbras acted through Oda Nobunaga, then Hideyoshi before fully resurrected. The God of Darkness was the first Onimusha and each subsequent Onimusha is a being who channels his power. In the second game, Yagyu Jubei was able to use five special orbs created by the Oni to transform himself into an Onimusha. When Jubei underwent an Oni Awakening, he was able to shoot beams of light. These abilities were transferred to his Onimusha form as Jubei used the arm cannon formed on his left hand. Samanosuke was spirited away by the Oni following the death of his alternate self at the hands of Nobunaga. By combining the gauntlet of his alternate self from the other timeline, he was able to become another Onimusha with a gauntlet on each of his hands and absorbed souls through an orb on his chest. In the fourth game, it is revealed that Soki, unlike the other Onimusha, was a reincarnation of the God of Darkness. Hence his title "Black Oni". In order for him to achieve his Ultimate Onimusha Mode, he awakened the sealed power of Nobunaga, the deceased Genma Lord’s power which was held within Tenkai's Oni Gauntlet. In his Onimusha Mode, Soki wears shining armor with dark colors beneath it while flying in combat and wielding two broadswords to attack Fortinbras.

Both the Genma and the Oni are shown to possess a level of technology and scientific knowledge beyond that of humans. The plot of the first game describes how many human leaders forged pacts with the Genma over the centuries, during which the Genma would lend the humans their technology in exchange for humans to feast upon. It is also suggested that the Genma are able to manipulate biology: Reynaldo, a Genma, would split into two if not killed properly; Marcellus was also a Genma that had been transformed from an Oni warrior. Throughout the series, details concerning Oni technology are scarce. Although the Oni Gauntlet is the most visible relic of the Oni in the series, it was created through magic. However, in Onimusha: Samurai's Destiny did reveal two examples of their technology: a mechanical horse and the "Oni Genbu" which was the flying ship. Aside from that, the most notable accomplishment of the Oni appears to be their ability to create temporal distortions (such as portals). It is not known how but through magic the Oni are able to create powerful weapons and even seal entire armies into an Oni orb to later be used by a gauntlet.

Throughout the different games, there are a number of weapons that can be collected by the player and found in the most unlikely of places, such as within a church or below a road in modern-day France. This is because the Oni are masters of dimensional technology, and have made it so that their warriors can access different mystical weapons from locations that surpass the limits of time and space. Each warrior has a certain set of weapons made available for them, as well as an "ultimate" weapon that can be found within the Dark Realm. Even though the Realm and its challenges remain the same, each weapon that is received depends on the warrior who undergoes the trials. Samanosuke's ultimate weapon was the Bishamon sword in both games that he appeared in; Jacques' ultimate weapon was the Ultimate Whip and Soki's ultimate weapon was the Gokumonji (which is similar only in appearance to Genma Samonji). Except for in the second and fourth games, all of the ultimate weapons radiate a purple glow similar to the Oni Gods. This is presumably because the characters were not blessed directly by the Oni gods, despite making their way through the Dark Realm. The same factor holds true to the original Jubei in the second game, as his ultimate weapon was the Rekka-Ken, a powerful red broadsword that used the power of fire.

Souls, as they are represented in Onimusha, do not represent the typical definition. They may, for instance, be harvested from defeated foes, wounded opponents, and from relics. Certain items can control the type of soul that is released, whether it is a blue, red, yellow or purple soul. The colour indicates which form of energy the soul possesses; yellow souls replenish life force, blue souls replenish magical ability, and purple souls can fuel an Oni Awakening (for characters that possess that ability), and red souls are used to improve weapons and armor.

In most of the titles, this is called the 'Dark Realm' and in others it is known as the Phantom Realm. The portal to this world is controlled by a race known as the Mino Clan. In most of the games only one member of the clan is revealed: Minogoro, a midget aged-man hanging upside-down by a rope. In the fourth game, Minogoro's son, Minokichi, is introduced. The most notable trait of the Mino clan is the ability to teleport themselves and others to places they've already visited. However, they also hold control over the portal of the Dark Realm. As for the Dark Realm itself, one theory states that it was created by the Oni, and that many Genma were sealed inside of it, and in Onimusha 3: Demon Siege, a document states that it is a training ground for the Oni. Those who travel there are faced with the imprisoned Genma and must survive their attacks as they travel deeper into the Realm. By surviving these many trials, Oni warriors are able to find different items and weapons that the Oni of the past had wielded and later hidden to seal them away from others who would abuse their power.

An Oni Awakening is a temporary state which gives access to Oni powers; this differs from the traditional Onimusha mode, in which the character's hair becomes entirely white, with a purple glow surrounding them. During Jubei Yagyu's Oni Awakening, he was able to shoot lasers from his left hand that consisted of 5 soul-like balls that could lock onto any nearby enemy using the same hand that he used to absorb Genma souls. In the third game, whenever Jacques or Samanosuke underwent an Oni Awakening, they could stab their weapons into the ground to release a shockwave of purple energy. This difference in technique is most likely a result of the fact that Jubei has Oni blood within him, since he was the son of Takajo (who, as previously noted, may be an Oni), whereas Samanosuke and Jacques are merely humans who have been granted powers by the Oni Clan. In the fourth game Soki is the reincarnation of the Oni god, giving him powers of an Onimusha. --Niemti (talk) 16:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)