Talk:Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... Pt. II

GZA Hook
Please stop correcting House Of Flying Daggers. It has always been the GZA doing the chorus to this song. He was on the original mix of the song only with more clarity & the chorus is a reiteration of GZA's song "Clan In Da Front". He was only not credited in the booklet just like Ghostface on 'Gihad'.

Despite what the booklet says, RZA did NOT produce the track 'Fat Lady Sings'
Please refrain from removing True Master from the production list & stop changing him as the producer for Fat Lady Sings back to RZA. He, like MoSS, is uncredited as the producer for the track and was wrongly credited to the RZA. This Wu-International interview clearly states that HE produced the track, NOT RZA. Here is where True Master actually states HE produced the track..

Wu-International: OK, would you like to share some of those songs with the fans please?

True Master: Well most recently on OBCL Part 2, I also produced Fat Lady Sings but didn't get the proper credit for that, and on Gza's Pro Tools I produced Paper Plates(50 Cent diss) and didn't get credit for that as well. Shit happens, I don't stress it though, on the flip side I have gotten credit for joints I didn't produce too.

Even the liner notes below the Tracklisting are LISTING True Master as a producer. Stop removing him. RZA isn't even listed as the proper producer in the album notes.

Despite what the booklet says, Busta Rhymes is NOT a executive producer
There are many incosistencies within the booklet of the album. Not listing certain guest features, wrong production credits. Another is listing Busta as one of the executive producers, yet however in a interview with XXL Raekwon confirmed he left the Aftermath label as well his executive role in the album, here is the link —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.62.210 (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That does not mean he never had a role. Dan56 (talk) 20:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Doesn't matter, when he left Aftermath he also DROPPED OUT of the executive producer credit along with it, Raekwon himself said he isn't one of them anymore. Stop listing Busta as one.
 * Then add the info to the article with the citation instead of just anonymously deleting with no explanation. Any anonymous, unexplained deletion of cited info can be reverted. MrBlondNYC (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

That info is ALREADY WITHIN the Background Info on the album, it doesnt need to be listed again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.55.239 (talk) 01:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK but he still is credited and you haven't provided a citation stating that his credit was an error. Until you can find a citation from a reliable source, please do not remove any info especially unexplained and anonymously. MrBlondNYC (talk) 20:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Here is the source clearly stating Busta Rhymes LEFT executive production duties after Raekwon never managed to sign/secure a deal with Aftermath. The article clearly says he is NO LONGER a exec. producer so STOP LISTING HIM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.36.125 (talk) 12:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Read my previous comment again. A citation is needed stating that his credit as executive producer is inaccurate or error. But even so, if someone is credited as director of a flim even if they left the film during production, they still receive their credit as far as Wikipedia is concerned. That's how it works, man. MrBlondNYC (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Here is the citation from the article saying Busta left production duties. "Bussa Bus was originally slated to executive produce the project, although he no longer holds the position.". Also, dont use the booklet as the excuse as to why hes credited as one of the exec. producers. The booklet has been proven to contain MANY errors within itself to not be considered solid backing/info (missing listed guest spots, incorrect producers listed. Its already listed in Backround Info that he is NOT a exec. producer

What's with the confusing guest listing?
So just because Ghostface and Inspectah Deck are featured frequently, they need to be placed above the track listing? Someone casually scrolling through is probably going to miss that, and it also fails to convey how many artists are on each track. There's no reason we shouldn't list them alongside the other guests in each song.

Furthermore, I'd propose doing something akin to the article for the original Cuban Linx album and other Wu-Tang albums where it's labled "verse one: so-and-so," "chorus: so-and-so." I've listened to the album enough times now, I'm sure I could do this with accuracy, and anyone could easily correct a mistake. --Vlad the Impaler (talk) 21:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Guests, executive producers and booklet
GZA is featured on "House of Flying Daggers", as can be heard on the hook, despite not being mentioned in the booklet. Busta Rhymes is featured on "About Me" despite the fact that the booklet does not say "About Me (feat. Busta Rhymes)". Ghostface Killah is featured on "Gihad" without it being mentioned in the booklet. Thus the same principal goes for the GZA case on "House of Flying Daggers". Busta Rhymes is mentioned as executive producer together with RZA and Raekwon in the booklet, and should thus be mentioned as such on the wikipedia page. There are no inconsistencies regarding this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.83.55 (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Allhiphop Review
I recently found a review at allhiphop.com - which can be viewd here -http://allhiphop.com/stories/reviews/archive/2009/09/04/21924826.aspx and I figured it was worthy of being added to the Professional Reviews list. For some reason, someone keeps deleting it, and I would like to know why. There are several reviews that are non-professional on the Professional Reviews section, namely the sputnikmusic one (the one from RapReviews is questionable) and you'll leave those up, but you'll delete the allhiphop one, even though it's professional??? Whoever keeps deleting it, please explain to me why. Thank you.


 * I'm sorry, but Sputnikmusic staff reviews are more professional than most of the sources listed. In fact, Sputnik is one of only a few sources in this article that are counted towards the metacritic.com metascore (a pretty big deal).

Kingsoby1 (talk) 10:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The fact that Sputnikmusic gave OB4CL2 a higher rating than Wu-Tang's 36 Chambers really makes me doubt their credibility (not to say that OB4CL2 is bad)
 * This sounds like your opinion, not a fact of the matter. I personally like both records, but you need to realize that it's not stone cold fact that 36 Chambers is a perfect record.  Sputnikmusic is weighted equally with Rolling Stone, Pitchfork Media, and The Onion AV Club... so questioning credibility here is ridiculous.  Kingsoby1 (talk) 05:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sputnikmusic's reviewer for one album is not the same person as the reviewer for another. Dan56 (talk) 19:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments everyone, I appreciate them, but my question is still un-answeared ... who keeps deleting the allhiphop review, and WHY???


 * I'm not actively editing this, but I can tell you it's likely due to the 10 review maximum. Kingsoby1 (talk) 00:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Professional Reviews
Half of the sources are not professional. I'm a staff reviewer at sputnik and the linked review should not be there. Also, the linked Hiphopdx review is poorly written, and they aren't even a metacritic weighted source. This encyclopedia has seemingly regular problems with this kind of quality control lately

edit: And now a message board is included? Seriously, I've never even heard of Rap4Fame.de... I can't change stuff since I'm not confirmed, but yeah someone should get on this. Really not good for the wiki's credibility.

Darius Sinclair (talk) 16:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Smoking Section (http://www.smokingsection.net) is a reknowned and respected Hip-Hop culture website. Their reviews are very professional and well written. Their reviews are written by well educated journalists. Please look over what you are deleting. Yes, several of the reviews posted are trash, but The Smoking Section has many professional reviews referenced on Wiki.

Kingsoby1 (talk) 16:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fine Darius and, if it's true, I stand corrected. I'm basing my deletion on the fact that the listed author has only that review under his belt - which gives off the appearance of being a blog.  In popular media, metacritic.com is considered gospel for professional sources.  I'll leave this review, and I appreciate your discussion as opposed to many of the anonymous glory-seeking bloggers that like to edit these articles.


 * Great. I totally agree with your reaction to the filler of reviews. Patrick M. aka Patrick Marshall has Bachelor's degree. All of the writers on TSS (The Smoking Section) have college degrees or are currently persuing them. We are a special kind of website. If you take a look, the website was recently updated, last Monday to be exact. And we have yet to archive all of the articles. You may see that I myself have only contributed to one article, when infact the site has been around since 2005. I've written about 50 pieces. If you look, we even interviewed Raekwon and Ghostface Killa just YESTERDAY. No other Hip-Hop site or blog is comparable to us. We were featured on MTV, CNN, and in Vibe and Rolling Stone publications, and other top notch publications.

PS. If you enjoy Hip-Hop or the culture, you may want to check the site out regularly. Darius Sinclair™ 18:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darius Sinclair (talk • contribs)

Kingsoby1 (talk) 19:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I'll have to look you guys up. I'm the resident hip-hop expert at sputnik and am always looking for some new resources... especially news sources.

Album
Jay Dee is dead...


 * Can anyone verify whether the album is set to include a Dilla track or whether the claim is totally inaccurate? Because he is dead.


 * Someone should make it clear that it's not Justice the french electro group that's producing a track here, it's the GZA's son, Justice (aka Young Justice, tho i guess he's not young anymore)


 * DAMNIT, IS THIS ALBUM EVER COMING OUT?!--Tainted Drifter 03:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ghostface's last album had J-Dilla beats. He made a ton of unused beats so it's not any surprise to see his beats being used posthumously. 130.49.147.23 22:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I edited the supposed release date from October to February again, because I he stated that date at a recent Rock The Bells concert in Denver. User:68.106.208.137 20.27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Track Listing

 * I've been taking care of it. JpGrB 20:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Tentative Track Listing
I've been seeing a lot of songs added to this page, and I was wondering if someone could confirm any of them? If not one can, should we delete this list until somoeone can provide a source? I mean, I see in the article that certain tracks are confirmed by certain magazines and websites, but I barely see any actual sources. It's just a thought. JpGrB 18:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree that it should be deleted. Also, people shouldn't write "prod by". Abbreviations like this don't really belong in an encyclopedia. Nylex (talk) 15:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if no one else has any thoughts, I can start working on it in a little while. --JpGrB 20:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have removed the "Tentative tracklisting" section as it was completely unsourced and, for all we know, made up. --  ¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤   20:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow I can't believe that nonsense lasted on the page for that long. Looking at the history, there seems to be a disruptive sock. Spellcast (talk) 01:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry didn't know how to edit really but I can confirm the track listing for the explicit album of OBFCL II:

01-Return Of The North Star (Feat. Papu Wu) (Produced By BT)

02-House Of Flying Daggers (Feat. Inspectah Deck, Ghostface Killah & Method Man) (Produced By J Dilla)

03-Sonny's Missing (Produced By Pete Rock)

04-Pyrex Vision (Produced By Marley Marl)

05-Cold Outside (Feat. Ghostface Killah & Suga Bang) (Produced By ATL)

06-Black Mozart (Feat. Inspectah Deck) (Produced By RZA)

07-Gihad (Produced By Necro)

08-New Wu (Feat. Ghostface Killah & Method Man) (Produced By RZA)

09-Penitentiary (Feat. Ghostface Killah) (Produced By BT)

10-Baggin' Crack (Produced By Erick Sermon)

11-Surgical Gloves (Produced By The Alchemist)

12-Broken Safety (Feat. Jadakiss & Styles P.) (Produced By Scram Jones)

13-Canal Street (Produced By Icewater)

14-Ason Jones (Produced By J Dilla)

15-Have Mercy (Feat. Beanie Sigel & Blue Raspberry) (Produced By Icewater)

16-10 Bricks (Feat. Cappadonna & Ghostface Killah) (Produced By J Dilla)

17-Fat Lady Sings (Produced By Icewater)

18-Catalina (Feat. Lyfe Jennings) (Produced By Dr. Dre)

19-We Will Rob You (Feat. Slick Rick, GZA & Masta Killa) (Produced By Allah Justice)

20-About Me (Feat. Busta Rhymes) (Produced By Dr. Dre)

21-Mean Streets (Feat. Inspectah Deck & Ghostface Killah) (Produced By Allah Mathematics)

22-Kiss The Ring (Feat. Inspectah Deck & Masta Killa) (Produced By Scram Jones)

Hope this helps, peace. Fandango. 77.96.244.117 (talk) 22:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source for that? --HELLØ    ŦHERE 23:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

That's right. Busta Rhymes is listed on the wrong Dre track on the live page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.49.175 (talk) 00:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The leak for Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II confirms all of this, Busta Rhymes is listed correctly so somebody edit and put him on the featuring for About Me. 24.77.170.154 (talk) 03:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The tracklisting above is correct. The one on the actual page is incorrect. Several of the tracks can be found at http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/audio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.27.96 (talk) 02:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also a bonus track "Walk Wit Me" which they're shooting a video for

here's a source, a preview of the video for the song on Raekwons YouTube Channel IcewaterTV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84httIJbEZU

i don't know who produced it though Siwhat (talk) 05:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge "Guests" With "Production"?
In the "Guests" section it makes it sound like Dre is going to be collaborating with RZA on vocals. (At least that's how it sounds to me, even though I know otherwise.) So, I suggest something possibly like this:

Production and recording

It was announced on the Wu-Tang Corp. website that Raekwon's management has stated that the album is almost complete, and that production is credited to Dr. Dre and RZA equally. RZA explained the collaboration between himself and Dr. Dre like "ying and yang" when it comes to their styles. "The album is gonna attract all the gangstas, nigga; all the thugs and everybody is going to be listening to this shit," says RZA of the album. Raekwon stated on the recent Rock The Bells Tour that Cuban Linx 2 will be released in Summer 2007.One Theory is that the release date will be the exact 12-year anniversary, which would be August 1, but it didn't happen as it wasn't released then. Some tracks are the result of several Los Angeles studio sessions originally aimed at creating a new Clan album. The album will largely be produced by Dr. Dre and The RZA.

Does anyone agree? --JpGrB 22:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Go, go, go. Spellcast (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Myspace and Youtube
Myspace and youtube are infact good sources when the sources are owned by the artist. It's the OFFICIAL RAEKWON MYSPACE. And the youtube interview was RAEKWON SPEAKING ABOUT THE ALBUM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.216.250 (talk) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all, there is no need to shout. Second of all, most "official" MySpaces are not run by the artists, as they have no time.  And I haven't personally checked it, but most "interviews" on YouTube are not legal.  Is there another site that confirms these two things?  --JpGrB 20:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, the youTube does seem official, I apologize for that one. --JpGrB 20:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * MySpace pages are, in general, not considered reliable sources. However, in my opinion, a YouTube video/interview of the artist speaking is the most reliable source available. But, if the rights to the video are not owned by the uploader, then there is a copyright infringement. I'm not sure, though, if that should stop us using it. --  ¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤   09:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I totally agree about the YouTube, and I apologize for that. It was my mistake, because I had not checked the page, I presumed it was a copyright vio.  But in the MySpace issue, I was under the impression that even if it is their "official" page, that is a self-published source, which isn't considered reliable?  I might be wrong, but as I said, that was the impression I had/have.  --JpGrB 22:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't use a myspace really as it isn't the actual artist, in most cases, that publishes it. --  ¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤   22:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So, we should remove it? --JpGrB 22:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Especially because the "back up source" is a blog that just references the MySpace page. --JpGrB 22:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Release date
Someone has edited the Release date(Released 	June/July 2009) but article still says March 2009 and there are no sources saying it's going to be June/July 2009, what's up with that?

Wu Ohh
why no mention of the single Wu Ohh that has recently been released? I heard they're shooting a video for it.Siwhat (talk) 21:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Altered Tracklisting
on Amazon they've put up the snippets for the album and an altered tracklisting, it has 21 tracks and the song "Nigga Me" is now called "About Me". http://www.amazon.com/Only-Built-Cuban-Linx-Vol/dp/B002GZQZX8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1250943514&sr=8-3 Siwhat (talk) 21:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But, I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that retailers are not reliable source. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 21:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

okay, the same altered tracklisting and snippets are also on iTunes USA now, with the song Nigga Me called About Me, listening to the snippets that's the song that features Busta Rhymes not other Dre produced Catalina, i've listened to the song Catalina on youtube and it doesn't have Busta Rhymes so they must have confused it with Nigga Me.Siwhat (talk) 06:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

WU TANG CLAN GUESTS!!!!!
Please sort out the wu tang clan appearances section, and get rid of the stupid out of date ghostface quote...We have a track listing ffs so we know who will be appearing on the albums. i made the changes and they got removed. Sort it out. You dont understand how rubbish the article looks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grt05 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this page is embarrassing. So many of the tracks have leaked: "About Me" features Busta Rhymes, "Catalina" features Lyfe Jennings, etc., etc. I don't know why this is sticking to that old HipHopDX source. If you go on HipHopDX you can hear the damn tracks! And guess what, "About Me" has Busta Rhymes and "Catalina" has Lyfe and so on and so on. 68.160.35.123 (talk) 14:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not using the HHDX source, it's using the MTV source. We go by sources here on Wikipedia. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 15:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The songs are out. Listen to them (HHDX has like 4 or 5 you can listen to legally). The two I mentioned are definitely wrong on this site's track listing. If you want a more reliable source, check out itunes and listen to the preview clips of each song. Busta is definitely not on "Catalina" but he's all over "About Me." 68.160.35.123 (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Leaks are not notable. Retailers and leaks are not reliable per guidelines and policies. We go by sources. If you can provide a source which follows guidelines, please do. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 15:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The clips on itunes were provided by the label, and only a few days ago. If you really think that the track listing we have is accurate, okay, but Sep. 8th is coming up quick. But as to the original post, the guest and production list need to be cleaned up. How many times do the same people need to be confirmed in one paragraph? 68.160.35.123 (talk) 15:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Criminology '09
Can anyone confirm if Criminology '09 is going to make it in the album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrRapid (talk • contribs) 12:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Track 5 mislabeling
"Cold Outside" was produced by Atlanta's BeatChefs. As seen in the CD jacket, production is credited to 'ATL/ICE WATER INC', 'ATL' should read 'BEATCHEFS'.

The BeatChefs hold a copyright on the beat recorded in 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.156.79 (talk) 19:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Fat Lady Sings
RZA produced that track - not True Master! Look to the back cover Tashivana (talk) 06:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Gold Edition
With the recent release of the Gold Edition, there's been several edits placing Travis Barker in the infobox as a producer, though he only worked on a bonus track on this later edition - not the actual album. WikiProject Albums has mentioned in several cases to not include exclusive information for re-releases in the infobox, thus, he should not be listed there, as this is no exception. Also, there's been several edits placing questionable producers in the "Producer(s)" section of the Track listing table, which do not correspond to the credits listed on the actual album, nor other web pages. I understand that several artists were mis-credited in the album's liner notes, and editors have corrected them with reliable sources (which is obviously a good thing), but most recently, someone(s) has been placing BT as a producer for "Penitentiary (Travis Barker Mix)." BT may very well have produced, or co-produced this track, but we need a source for this. If not, it will continue to be removed. Finally, due to the information listed here, there's reason to believe that the track listing for the bonus Gold Edition (on the Wikipedia page), is listed in the incorrect order. I should also mention that the Bun B track, which was initially titled "Never Used to Matter", has now been re-titled "Never Matter to You" (according to iTunes, and several other web pages). If anyone has any questions, or would like to make further comments, feel free to do so. --Blastmaster11 (talk) 21:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

re: gold edition
i'm not some random person claiming to be a producer. BT -- my name is all over the production list. and personnel list as engineer and producer. i produced Penitentiary and the remix. my name should be up where it belongs. i find it funny that you people are hiding behind the computer erasing the work i have done. i will get you a source, but really isn't that your job then if you are such intense editors? i will put my name up again and challenge this with anyone involved with wiki. because wiki is supposed to represent the truth. and the truth is that i produced 3 remixes on the gold edition, including Penitentiary (travis barker remix). period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.250.41.134 (talk) 21:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Commercial Sales in US.

OB4CL2 sold 179.000 copies in the US accordin to HITS Daily Double

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/sales_ur.cgi?030811 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.24.75.39 (talk) 19:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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