Talk:Ontario Highway 33

Collins Bay Road
I see Collins Bay Road is listed here as "County Road 2" and as the subject of a "former Kingston Connecting Link agreement"
 * 60.9 	Collins Bay Road 	Beginning of former Kingston Connecting Link agreement

The cited source is MTO's AADT numbers which currently list "FRONTENAC RD 2-COLLINS BAY-END OF NA". Only one problem... there is no such place as "County Road 2, Collins Bay". The designation *used* to exist in the pre-1998 Township of Kingston (another now non-existent entity, blame Mike Harris) but the county road designation was removed from all Collins Bay Road signage to avoid conflict with Ontario Highway 2, downloaded to the newly-amalgamated city in 1998 as "Kingston 2". Annexation to the City of Kingston also raises the issue that, while Kingston Township had representation at the county level and therefore had county roads when it was an independent entity, the city does not have any representation in Frontenac County (as a severed municipality) and anything annexed to the city now inherits this status.

I've removed the "county road" designator on Collins Bay Road. It's long dead. Nonetheless, "former Kingston Connecting Link agreement" is not clearly worded as this does not indicate whether the 'agreement' was with the former City of Kingston (which didn't reach that far west pre-1998) or the former Township of Kingston (which does include Collins Bay, but which is no longer extant now). Odds are, if this was downloaded on or before Jan 1, 1998 the connecting link between old city limits (Cataraqui Creek) westward to Collins Bay was in the Township, while the connecting link from the city limits eastward to Ontario Highway 2 was in the city. The City of Kingston never had a connecting link agreement for Collins Bay as it was well outside city limits at that time.

The cited source does not reference any connecting link agreement with either the Township of Kingston or the City of Kingston, just the beginning and end of the downloaded section(s). This is to be expected as that page is about (what's left of) the current road and is not in any form a historical source. (Even the 1988-2008 AADT comparison data on that page discards any traffic numbers for any highway segments which were downloaded in 1997-98.) 66.102.83.61 (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)