Talk:Onward, Christian Soldiers

Movies
Is this song used in the movie, "If..."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.38.185 (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Salvation Army, various translations
Something should be mentioned about the importance of this hymn for the Salvation Army, about the controversies its military images call up in modern Christian communities (and how different these might be than those it invoked in the Progressive Era, among the Social Gospel movement, etc.), about its translations into various languages (German: Vorwärts, Christi Streiter!), and about the cultural connotations and possible association with fundamentalism.--Bhuck 15:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If you've got the references, sure, go ahead and write it. Obviously, any description of the controversy would have to be in an NPOV context.  --Ssilvers 21:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Boer War Te Deum
I believe the tune also appears in the final minutes of Sullivan's Boer War Te Deum.Shsilver 19:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it does. Marc Shepherd 20:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Copyright Violation?
Much of this page appears to have been copied from http://www.songsandhymns.org/hymns/detail/onward-christian-soldiers which is probably a copyright violation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zabdiel (talk • contribs) 13:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Two of the paragraphs are obviously based on that source. I have put a specific attribution next to the quote.  The rest of the article was contributed to by many editors over a long period of time.  If there is still a phrase or sentence taken directly from a particular source without attribution, either rewrite it or tag it for attribution.  -- Ssilvers 16:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed for negative fact
This sentence is flagged as needing a citation: "However, the hymn was not included in the 1990 hymnal of the Presbyterian Church (USA)"

Citations for absences are not easy to find, but I searched http://www.stjameschicago.org/hymnal/index.htm which has a full title index to "The Presbyterian Hymnal (1990, Westminster/John Knox Press, Louisville)" and did not find Onward Christian Soldiers. Is this cite-worthy?

Rosuav (talk) 03:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Origin and Genesis
While I am always liking a good story, and Sabine himself wrote about the genesis being such, I have come across a book by his grandson which states:

'Onward Christian Soldiers' was probably written in 1864, and first sung at a children's Whitsunday procession at Horbury Brig in 1865. Originally set to a tune by Hadyn, it undoubtedly owes much of its lasting popularity to Sullivan's setting, to which it is universaly sung. The words first appeared in the [i]Church Times[/i] in 1864, but in his old age Sabine obviously associated it in his mind with his Horbury Brig Mission and spoke of it as though it had been especially written for the children's procession in 1865; an easy slip for an old man to make.

ch. The Curate of Horbury Brig, Sabine Baring-Gould, Squarson, Writer and Folklorist 1834-1924 by Bickford H.C.Dickinson pub. 1970

dilemma - want to go with Sabine, obviously, but he himself has had contradictions in his writings... Crescent (talk) 04:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say "This is what Sabine said, but in this book, it says...." What is the page number? I'm a little confused by your citation: the book you have is by Bickford H.C. Dickinson?  Is it quoting the grandson's book?  Or is this a review of the book, or what?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * page 47, quoting the grandson's book, not a review. just want to get this info on the site but unsure of how to make it best in terms of wiki format. thanks! Crescent (talk) 19:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Just put the information right into the article, add the citation with all bibliographic details (author's last name, first name. Title, page no., publisher name and city, date. And same information for the thing being quoted), and I'll help you format it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)