Talk:Opel/Archive 1

Confusing
Dear Wikipedians, I think the beginning of this article as it stands now is a bit confusing. Adam Opel AG is a company name, OPEL is trademark or brand as trademarks are commonly called. I think, therefore: - At the beginning Opel and the company name should be mentioned, without the wording "originally and more correctly". - there is no need mentioning French or Dutch versions - they are not the identical in meanuing with the German company name.

Regards, --Millisits 12:32, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's not too confusing to understand, but it is a little awkward. How about, "incorporated as," "formally known as," or something like "The full name of the company is." According to GM's traditional nomenclature, I think it should then probably be identified as a division of that company rather than the amorphous "part of." RivGuySC 15:14, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Opel
What is the mining of "OPEL"? --
 * It has no meaning. Just the last name of the founder.


 * Thanks

Incoherent sentence
The following sentence appears towards the latter part of the introduction "Another chance is taking place to actually kill off the name starting with V and replace it with something like Opel UK (will also abbreviate a new chance to also give it another name too, Opel Great Britain)." If anyone can make proper sense of this and make it sound less like a incoherent rant, please do. Otherwise, I'll delete it.

Arild 01:35, 5 Jan 2006 (CET)

WWII
Any word on what this company was up to during WWII? Having been owned by GM since 1929 and all... Paul 05:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I found that peculiar as well, I know Opel supplied many LKWs (lorries) to the german army. Weird huh? 81.68.255.36 (talk) 16:07, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Never heard of it
I think a central sentence near the top should make clear that this major manufacturer does not market "opel" cars in the United States (the US being about half the world-wide market and the majority of wikipedia readers).
 * The US made up for roughly 25% of the world automobile market in 2007 and is probably responsible for a smaller share now. Also, what you're missing here is that Opel, like other GM brands is part of a much larger US owned company which shares designs & profits. Take Holden for example, which is the equivalent of Opel in Australia ... being responsible for numerous cars produced for US roads, most rebadged "Pontiac".--58.178.202.60 (talk) 07:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:BOLD (I'm not from the US so I cannot really know what to insert to reflect the issue.) Shinobu 04:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think that this is necessary; Opel, as Opel, is not in the US market, and Wikipedia readers come from many more places than just the US. However, as I recommended below, at least small mention should be made of the integration of the European Opel lineup wit the North American Saturn lineup - something that US readers will relate to much more easily. Boter 14:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * But why do we Europeans have heard of most your american motorcompanies? There's not only mercedes, porsche & co ;-) it's like the cnn news where they said switzerland is czechoslovakia :D. --88.70.24.56 08:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "Never heard of it"? Well, count yourself lucky, now that you have heard of it... you will find cars identical with Opels marketed in the US under a different badge, sometimes made in some other GM plant in some other country. As for your claim that "the US is about half the world-wide market", please verify it if possible. Walkingmelways 13:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes we have Opel in the United Kingdom as Vauxhall  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Gilling (talk • contribs) 16:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Opel and the war
They were a subsidiary of a US corporation before WW2 - so what happened during it and what was the effect in the post war reconstruction. GraemeLeggett 08:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. This is an important fact that seems to be overlooked. I am reminded of the Munich scene from Family Guy's Road to Europe episode. &mdash;Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 19:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * GM sucked up to Hitler, taking it's chance to make trillions of profits. Vice President Mooney took thankfully a high decoration from the blood-dripping hands of Adolf Hitler. And he was not the only american business man who did ... --141.91.129.4 (talk) 11:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Indeed - for GM and others WWII was a win win situation: while control of the company was officially "frozen" (but GM still controlled Opel via switzerland) the profit was hold in trust for GM. Same for Ford (Henry Ford got a medal from Hitler), Coca Cola, IBM and others. (Coca Cola germany invented the Fanta brand during the war when they had no cola to sell, IBM helped the germans to administrate the holocaust, the number-tattoo on the arms of KZ-prisioners were for use with IBMs Hollerith data processing machines) - You must understand the german-american relations before the war, germany was popular in the USA during the 1930s. The Nazis were business friendly, they hated communism (remember this was a real treat, which could affect almost all countries at this time - many US politicans and businessmen privily favoured a war between Germany and Russia.) and they were an extremely good trading partner for the USA, that's why the US supported the appeasement politics. But in the late 1930s german-american relationship was getting worse when germany quickly took a lot of market share in south america while the USA lost market share there at the same time. Later when UK was in real danger to lose the war, the view of germany for the US business began to be negative because the UK was the largest trading partner of the USA (about 50% of foreign trade). But the USA officially still did business with germany till december 1941, about 60-70% of the oil germany used for the "Battle of Britain" and "Operation Barbarossa" came from US partners. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.138.96.243 (talk) 14:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Motorsport history
Why nothing of Opel's motorsport history? No mention of its involvement in various touring car formulae, or of Formula 3 and the Opel Euroseries. Adrian M. H. 21:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Events
In my opinion, there is an error in the "events" paragraph. It states that Opel was (first?) launched in Asia in 1971. I am born and raised in Indonesia, a considerable part of Asia, and I can vividly remember the Olympias, Kapitäns and Rekords riding along in my hometown, during my childhood days in the 1950s! So 1971 is definitively not the earliest year that Opel came around in Asia. In fact, my parents rode a 1957 Opel Kapitän up to 1962, and later on my brother in law rode an Admiral in 1968.

24.132.244.182 16:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Integration with Saturn
I was wondering if anyone would be able to write a small section as to how Opel is being integrated with the Saturn marque of North America - such as how Opel is brining the Saturn Sky over as the Opel GT, and how Saturn brought over the Opel Vectra, Opel Antara, and Opel Astra as the Saturn Aura, second-generation Saturn VUE, and Saturn Astra, respectively. Boter 14:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Only old models as pic
Hi, why are the shown models here only the old ones pre 1980? --88.70.24.56 08:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

OPEL NOT a subsidiary from Vauxhall
Hi!

OPEL is definitely NOT a subsidiary from Vauxhall. OPEL is a subsidiary directly from GM (U.S.) and GM Europe (Switzerland). Vauxhall is a subsidiary from GM (U.S.) and GM Europe too. But OPEL is NOT a subsidiary from Vauxhall, Vauxhall is NOT a subsidiary from OPEL. This two european GM-Companies are still equal. OPEL has his head-office in Rüsselsheim (it's near my german hometown) and subordinates directly zu GM Europe (Switzerland). I don't know, from where the IP-user gets his wrong "informations".

So I will undo the Changes from the IP-User. Greetings - TomGaribaldi from german wikipedia [here a IP-User too ;-) ] 77.0.182.48 (talk) 19:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC) It was me - TomGaribaldi 10:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC) - I've just created an account in en.wikipedia, too.


 * Tom is right. See the GM Europe site. I will undo that edit. --MB-one (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Opel Eco speedster 113 mpg?
Discovery Channel's FutureCar claimed this model could run for 24 hours at 140 mph at 113 mpg ... it would be a very interesting topic for this article to cover. 70.15.114.2 (talk) 05:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Magna
Is Adam Opel GmbH part of Magna now? I head in this BBC news article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8074218.stm It need's to be confirmed but I forecast it's going to be part of Magna very soon. So I will add this in. Contact me if I am doing something wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Gilling (talk • contribs) 16:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * With negotiations of this nature, issuing a press release to try and persuade people to confuse what is with what may be is a common tactic for applying pressure between the parties involved.  You should be cautious about treating any speculation as to the outcome of the negotiations as fact until it is fact.  But I think the way the entry is worded at the moment covers the bases!   Regards Charles01 (talk) 18:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I will put one of them thing's on to tell people it's a current event.--Thomas G 12:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Gilling (talk • contribs)

Zeppelin
Can the "Zeppelin" logo be added to the article? 70.29.208.129 (talk) 10:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * done Traveler100 (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Opel in Europe
The sentence starting "Vauxhall has rejected this on the grounds that" is orphaned, presumably due to the removal of a previous sentence dealing with proposals to change the name of the marque in the UK from Vauxhall to Opel. Can someone with the necessary references correct this. Scartboy (talk) 22:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Opel logo needs to be updated!
Does anyone can add the new Opel badge there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.73.181.168 (talk) 20:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
The "History of the logo" section is broken. I'd fix it, but my brain hurts from trying to read it. Oh, and please would paper chuck in wastebin? Thank you. -- Zero TalkContribs  22:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Area served

i am now travelling through latin america and i've seen plenty of cars made by opel but rebadged as chevrolets around here. so i suggest adding Latin America to "Area served" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bavareze (talk • contribs) 08:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No, since they're rebadged as Chevys, Chevy is the one serving them. -- Zero TalkContribs  22:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Bullshit Bingo
"In order to support this vision, the company has sharpened and refined its brand DNA and product pillars, and is embarking on a program that ensures this DNA is engrained in every future Opel product."

In order to support Wikipedia's vision of an encyclopedia I engrain my hate against corporate non-language like this in WP. This looks like vandalized by Opel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.39.132.21 (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL… Anyhow, I doubt that OPEL did this. My guess would be some OPEL-Fanboy. Especially the section following the "All in all, Opel plays an enormously important role in the global GM corporate group..." seems to be written by some hardboiled Opel fan. (I'm German myself and therefore of course  think that German carmakers are better then US manufacturers yada yada, but this seems a bit too much.) UltraBlonz (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

'List of Opel vehicles' article gone?
What happened to it? --Ifrit 03:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)