Talk:Open-mid front rounded vowel

Is RP/australian 'fern' and 'burn' the vowel œ? It's certainly close to ö in german.


 * Close, the vowel in 'fern' is [ɜ], which is very similar to [œ], but central rather than front, and unrounded rather than rounded. Nohat 05:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

In The Phonology of Norwegian by Gjert Kristoffersen the word løse is transcribed as ['lø:sə], and as far as I know it would rhyme with høne since I'm not aware of any lowering of /ø:/ before /n/. Could someone who actually speaks (Eastern) Norwegian confirm whether the vowels in these two words are different or not?

Also, as far as I can tell from Sprog & lyd: Elementær dansk fonetik by Steffen Heger, the Danish example is also an [ø]. Similar to most Swedish dialects, [œ] seems to be an allophone of /ø:/ that is occurs before /r/.

Peter Isotalo 22:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I speak with a dialect that I believe is close to the "standard" Norwegian bokmål dialect, and I pronounce the ø in løse and the ø in høne exactly the same. --Quadduc 22:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Why exactly do [ø] and [œ] seem to sound like American English r. They are articulated in two totally different ways. "R" is a rhotacized schwa, whereas the other two are rounded front vowels. Linguofreak 21:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * is acoustically very close to the schwa. In fact, it's the closest cardinal vowel to it (according to Hans Basbøll, and I agree with him). Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Dutch deur
The example from Dutch 'deur' sounds like ø to me, not œ.

- I just removed it. I think the sound sample of 'œ' on the page is wrong. It sounds like 'ø'.

Babelut 16:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Sound Sample
It blatantly wrong. It is an 'ø'. The sound sample given for ø is a better realization of œ though it isn't very good either.Berndf (talk) 22:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I just noticed the same thing. The sound samples for /ø/ ("close-mid front rounded vowel") and /œ/ ("open-mid front rounded vowel") seem to have been mixed. The sound sample for /ø/ sounds more like an /œ/ and the sound sample for /œ/ sounds like an /ø/, at least in the sense that the former is more open than the latter. At least one person has reported the same thing on the talk page of the close-mid front rounded vowel's article. 66.131.78.52 (talk) 04:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Mandarin Chinese
Should the row with Mandarin Chinese have been removed? I didn't see its removal noted in the history, and it's still listed with this vowel on the Chinese version of the page and on other websites. And just intuitively, as a native speaker, it seems to me like yue is pronounced with this vowel. Just asking in case anyone's listening. Airrodanthefirst (talk) 07:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Voice sample
The current voice sample sounds like a tired teenager (no offence). There is no true perfect voice sample available that i can find, the two best i have being (number 2, 3):

Nardog, i cannot figure out how to replace the tired teenager, which wikidata object is it taken from? Blockhaj (talk) 07:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I've restored Denelson83's in Module:IPA symbol/data, which is where the infobox gets it from. The file shouldn't have been overwritten in the first place, but it's been more than a decade so reverting it now doesn't seem appropriate. JøMa's sounds too low, and they might have mistaken it for given the summary ("this one is really open"). Yours starts out good but sounds diphthongized at the end FWIW. Nardog (talk) 08:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you have the ability to edit mine, could you cut down my version to be correct? Blockhaj (talk) 09:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)