Talk:Operation Algeciras

References? citations?
Hi, this is an iteresting little article that does not mention references or sources. I'll add the relevant tag to help raise awareness of this fact + try to find verifiable sources to expand it a bit (if possible). Can anyone please help? Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 02:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

More on the behaviour of the agents?
One source I have read states that the agents were to deny any involvment of the Argentine Governement, if they were caught. One different source states they presented themselves by name and grade when told that their gear had been found. Just wondering: Should they be left to the Armed Forces of Spain, would they be entitled to a treatment governed by the Geneva Convention.?

That other alegation I have come up with, gives me the impression they either were being, or just acting stupid. Did someone tell (lie) them that Spain has given a carte blanche, so that Spain may be used as a launchpad for this attack? Maybe they wanted to get caught by the Spanish authorities (they were originally locked up for being Montaneros). They can't have wanted to get caught, less likely that they were stupid. How do we better understand the actions of these agents? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.134.28.194 (talk) 12:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be deleted?
There is no source nor trustworthy references since May, this article should be deleted as its seems to be some kind of biased article, plus montoneros weren't affiliated with their goverment in any way. Actually they were jailed and executed so no point in them aiding the war effort. Please discuss and delete eventually. 190.192.39.110 (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Entirely rewritten and expanded article
I have entirely rewritten and expanded the article. There is much disagreement between articles published many years ago and the 2003 documentary where the participants are interviewed. I believe the articles published shortly after the events contain many factual errors because the events were not yet well-known and the sources were not the actual participants so a lot of what they contain is speculation. The documentary on the other hand interviews the actual participants and must be given greater credibility.

I realize the article still needs inline citations but that was more than I could do. Al the information is taken from the links found in the external links section and specially from the 2003 documentary where some of the main people involved are interviewed including Nicoletti. I also believe the article can be improved by adding more dates of events and more specific information about the activities of each of the individuals. If and when I have time I may come back and do another major revision. In the menwhile feel free to add to it. GS3 (talk) 08:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

The way this is written is ambiguous in parts. "They had orders not to do anything which could involve or embarrass Spain, to sink a British naval vessel..." can be understood in part as "they had orders not to sink a British vessel", which I suppose is not the intended meaning. "The commandos were issued counterfeit Argentine passports under false names and marked with false earlier entry stamps to Spain. This was done so the Argentine government could deny any involvement in case the commandos were discovered and the passports were made by another ex-montonero, Victor Basterra" can be understood in part as "in case the passports were made by another ex-montonero", which, again, I suppose is not the intended meaning. Rather, something like this was intended, no?: "The commandos were issued counterfeit Argentine passports under false names and marked with false earlier entry stamps to Spain. The passports were made by another ex-montonero, Victor Basterra; this was done so the Argentine government could deny any involvement in case the commandos were discovered."HowardJWilk (talk) 17:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Speculation
"Nigel West, a British writer who specialises in covert operations, told the documentary team that Britain had known about the plot because of telephone-taps of conversations between Argentina's embassy in Madrid and Buenos Aires but this seems unlikely because if that were the case it would have been the military intelligence who would have intervened."

Why do you think it unlikely or that Spains military intelligence would be involved? or do you mean MI6? What you stated is pure speculation, but IF the UK were listening to wire taps, they would not reviel it by interfering on Spanish soil or informing Spain as a known friend of Argentina. Also as the SAS/SBS (Special Air Service/Special Boat Service) have demonstrated in the 1980's, they shoot dead terrorists on Gibraltar. As a member of HM Armed Forces in the 70's/80's i am aware that the UK were watching Spains military forces for clues if they were going to strike against Gibraltar while we were engaged in a war with Argentina, so the SAS/SBS MI5/MI6 and security/armed forces were already in Gibraltar and at Bikini Alert State Amber.

So i propose we remove this "but this seems unlikely because if that were the case it would have been the military intelligence who would have intervened"

Samantha.pia (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * One version I have heard is that the British got the intelligence, that some Argentines were leaving for Europe. Then it would be a minimal form of activity to tip of the Spanish Authorities. Everyone knew Spain was (officialy) not a part of the war effort. They even had the opportunity/privilege to vote against UN res. 501, but chose not to do it. Spain was officialy not taking sides. In this case, they were indeed and actually not taking sides. This is an attack from Spain that just did not happen. I am only to certain that Spain acted as a sovereign nation. If Britain wanted to hurt the Spaniards, then orders would be given as not to give away this tipoff. It would be more likely the Spaniards would learn of it, at a few hours to go. The tipoff was valuable, only because Spain chose for it.

There was a breach of Spain's sovereignity, that happened as soon as Operation Algericas was approved.....Spain is a Monarchy, then I must not allow myself to think it is a part of Argentina. --82.134.28.194 (talk) 07:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

"Marciano"?
Could he be Jorge Tapia? look http://edant.clarin.com/diario/96/03/31/gibralt.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.231.234.10 (talk) 04:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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