Talk:Operational Camouflage Pattern

Merge (and possible move)
Being that the United States Army next-generation camouflage pattern is entirely about the process to adopt this pattern, is entirely based on a single source, and is far too detailed, there's no real reason to have a separate article, instead of summarizing it here. Truly, looking at the other article, it is a terrible mess, reading as though it were an internal Army memo to explain the process to the various commands. It's certainly not appropriate for an encyclopedia article.

While we're at it, we may want to move this article to Operational Camouflage Pattern, it's proper name now that it's been officially adopted. The redirect from the developmental name would still exist, of course. oknazevad (talk) 18:02, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * No Merger: The Scorpion W2 is about a particular camouflage pattern. The Phase process for selecting a camouflage pattern involved several patterns and was a project of the US military.  Each article is a separate subject.  the Scorpion W2 article contains enough information to justify a separate article and is expected to expand as the US Military begins introducing different variants of the Scorpion W2.  The Scorpion W2 article should definitely be left as a separate article.  IQ125 (talk) 09:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. But the phase project was about the development that lead to the adoption of Scorpion W2. Just as we don't have separate articles detailing the development process of other products (usually; there are definitely exceptions), the development process is really just background to the final product. Same can be said here. Especially since the development article is really just an over-detailed regurgitation of army memos. oknazevad (talk) 19:06, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Scorpion W2 was created before the phase project. My final words on the matter.  IQ125 (talk) 20:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, the original Scorpion was created before the phase project, back in 2002. It was then adapted to the commercial MultiCam. Scorpion W2 was created as part of the project to adapt/update the original (in part to avoid royalty payments). It's intrinsicly linked to the project; it is the result of this project. Despite the regurgitated memos here, the project really just consisted of evaluating existing designs, some with modification. oknazevad (talk) 16:42, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Variants
What is it? Either there are NO plans to use other color variants of the patterns (first paragraph) or they already plan to develop jungle style camouflage based on it (second paragraph), how can the same article claim BOTH impossible options in the same short section??? --5.146.47.75 (talk) 23:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe you are misreading it. The point of the first sentence is that the OCP pattern will be adopted Army-wide, unlike the use of MultiCam, which was restricted to units deployed to Afghanistan. The second part says they might create variants for use in specific extreme edge-case environments for which OCP is less suited; it's got too much light brown for dense rainforest terrain, and too much green for a full-sand desert, for example. Those edge cases might be covered in the future by terrain-specific variants of Scorpion W2/OCP developed along side the multi-terrain versionthat essentially omit the green for the desert version and add more for the woodland version. Or they may just bring back the M81 Woodland and Three-Color Desert patterns of time past, as they actually do work for those specific environments (remembering that Woodland was first deployed in its earlier form during Vietnam.) oknazevad (talk) 03:35, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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