Talk:Opeth/Archive 1

History length
I think the history section is a bit long winded and could do with being broken up into at least 2 sub headings. Maybe something like 1990 - 2000 and 2000 - 2007. Thoughts? Jpk82 22:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I gave it a try. We should look at how the article should be completed in the future. It looks obvious to me, to have section about the early beginnings, then the time until Mendez joined, then the long stable period the band experienced, and a new section that deals with Ghost Reveries, the addition of a keyboard as a fifth instrument and the upcoming releases.. I also created a timeline and added it to the article.. it's quite confusing when reading the article, I hope this helps to better understand the band's development. -- Johnny w  talk  21:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, absolutely.84.217.52.75 17:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thats brilliant! Much easier to read... Jpk82 22:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Love the timeline...awesome. Savre 02:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

The album displayed a stronger metal influence...
Opeth's fifth album, 2001's Blackwater Park, released under Music for Nations, received critical and commercial success in North America. The album displayed a stronger metal influence.

A stronger metal influence according to who? As far as Im concerned all of Opeths albums have displayed a roughly equal amount of 'metal influence'. I don't think this should be here...comments? Jpk82 22:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, IMO that's just POV... --Sn0wflake 13:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed. Jpk82 22:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Doom/Death
I'm sure Opeth fit into that genre rather nicely. Progressive Doom/Death Metal suits them very well, what do you guys think?
 * Read the above 'chat' about Opeth's genre before saying anymore. In the end, its not about POV, its about reliable sources stating what Opeth's genre is. My POV is that they do have a Doom influence, but i dont have a source, therefore, it doesn't really matter. Hellfreeze 12:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

There's no such a genre called Progressive Doom/Death Metal.Opeth is not Doom/Death Metal,and never was.

Opeth is mostly fitting into Extreme Progressive Metal genre.

You cannot say Melo-Death,they never sound as At The Gates or Dark Tranquillity do. You cannot say Death Metal,because the riffs are not so "Death Metal" at all.Only "Death" thing is brutal vocal. Prog-Death?Pass this out.Not much similarity between Death, Cynic, Atheist and Opeth.

Since there is a need for a reliable source,I suggest Metal Archives.It is more reliable than the other sources that are given above. Enslaved 10:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

They aren't melodeath though, they don't have the correct song structures. They are more in common with a typical Death/doom band only with a huge progressive rock influence. Also the metal-archives genre of "Extreme Progressive Metal" is not even are fitting as "Progressive Death Metal" which is the logical tag.

Have the ones who claim that Opeth is a Doom/Death band ever listened to Doom/Death Metal bands like My Dying Bride and ex-Paradise Lost/Anathema? How can Opeth be similar to Doom/Death Metal genre?No relations at all. Opeth is not Doom Metal.

I agree with the above comment. Opeth is not Doom Metal. It should be called..... Savre 02:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Opeth is not doom metal nor doom/death, period. Sentence like this: Opeth have also been influential in the doom metal genre and have attracted a lot of doom metal fans. should be removed as well. Because, quite on the contruary, they are not influental because they are simply not doom metal, and I'm afraid that there are also a lot of doom metal fans who actually hate Opeth. Nothingagainst 02:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Youre absoutely right! But way, that some people consider Opeth doom, is because, in fact Mikael Åkerfeldt was once in swedish doom metal legends Katatonia. I believe, thats, why some of the fools considered Opeth as doom metal, but in fact Opeth itself has nothing to do with doom metal, nor they never gets sounding like Katatonia, IMO. There's only popular association with Mikeal's buddy work with Katatonia, that's for sure, however. Etos

Self-linking page?
In the section of former band members, "Andreas Dimeo" links back to Opeth.

I'm confused as to why this is being done, as he's only a former band member near the band's beginning, and never referenced later.

Shouldn't he have his own page, even if it's blank for now? Mattz1010 21:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically, he does have his own page, it just redirects to the Opeth page. After a quick google search, it doesn't appear that he has done anything since leaving the band so there isn't really anything to put on his page. I've removed the links to his page as it is silly to link to a page that just redirects back to this page.--Mbc362 21:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Citation
I just added a hell of a lot of citation needed tags. Actually, there's not that many... but regardless, this page would benefit from a lot more references. I fixed the reference section too. --Dayn 11:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Im pretty sure they are all quotes and references from the new 'Ghost Reveries' CD/DVD special edition. Some one care to varify? Hellfreeze 13:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is there a citation needed tag on Mikael naming his daughter Melinda after the character on the Still Life album? It's common knowledge...


 * Never assume common knowledge. I don't know for sure, as I haven't found a source to state it yet. 'Sides, it's unreferenced, and the more good references to make this article reliable, the better. --Dane ~nya 02:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Opeth is not Death metal
THE ONLY element from Death metal they have is the grownling. And thats not even from death metal (Hardcore, crust) I will change it to Extreme Progressive metal to make everyone happy

Hardcore and crust as Opeth's influence?! the harsh vocals are directly influenced from death metal bands particularly Morbid angel the clean singing has progressive rock influences, Camel etc. No Punk influence there. As for NO death metal element in there music, they have blast beats, harsh vocals, speed, songs about death etc. maybe not enough for "death metal" but way more than enough than for "Melodic death metal". The Only people you'd be making happy with the tag "Extreme Progressive Metal" is yourself and the trolls at Metal-Archives.com

theres no extreme prgressive metal and it is progressive death metal Blood8815 02:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

They use clean vocals way too much to be considered Death Metal, I agree with him about calling them Extreme progressive metal


 * Well there's melodic death metal, progressive metal, and progressive rock... covers all their bases. A band doesn't have to overly specific, nor does it have to be too wide. They're progressive... they do play death metal... they also play other stuff. The current genres are pretty good. --Dayn 09:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. There's been way too much focus on Opeth's genre lately. The infobox is meant to give the reader an idea of the band's influences, and as such the current version does a good job. It is pointless inventing a new label just for Opeth, just as it is pointless to list each and every stylistic influence you might hear in their songs. Just leave it as it is. Petergee1 11:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * On that note, an unregistered user removed traces of death metal from the page. I'm tempted to revert it, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. --Dayn 14:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that the genre should be progressive death metal because thats what they are.ParkerEdwards 02:19, 04 March 2007 (UTC)

Opeth has been called Gothic metal before, according to Metal: A Headbanger's Journey. Since I do not know much about Opeth, I would like to hear people's insights on this. Give me proof also. Sonofog 7-4-07 11:12 AM PAC

Opeth is extreme progressive metal just check the Encylopedia Metallum it says right there extreme progressive metal. Death metal usually has heavier riffs and heavier everything else, but Opeth just has deep growls and also quite frequently has singing and their riffs are not that heavy. Also Damnation is a prog rock album there I can understand but Opeth is not progressive DEATH metal but extreme progressive metal and they're not melodeath/melodic death metal, thank you.

12-21-06 6:32 AM EST


 * I wouldn't put in extreme metal personally; the article itself says the label is a broad term. Not to mention the various genres it covers can be widely different from each other, saying "extreme" wouldn't be enough, it wouldn't be specific enough.


 * Extreme Metal is to broad of a term. It could mean thrash metal, death metal, black metal, swedish/scandanavian death metal, deathcore or almost anything in the metal genre. If you were to classify a band like Opeth, saying "extreme progressive metal" is too much. All you would need to say is progressive metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonofog (talk • contribs)


 * While you do make a good point, simply using "progressive metal" is way abroad too. Tool is progressive metal too, but can they be compared to Opeth, especially the vocals? No. I still go with progressive death metal, but you all, just go ahead. :) ~ | twsx | talkcont | 18:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It also depends on what you consider heavy. Heavy, as in low? Or heavy as in a feeling? I believe the majority of their songs (that aren't overtly acoustic with singing and that) are pretty darn heavy, but actually more melodic. So maybe simple progressive metal and progressive rock.


 * We also have to take into account the "progressive" part. Of course they don't sound like a typical death metal band; that's what I believe the progressive part is alluding to. --Dayn 11:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

While we're here, from the death metal page, under progressive death metal...

''Progressive death metal is a subgenre of death metal that incorporates characteristics such as time signatures and mood changes from progressive metal. The overlapping of genres is quite common. The genre typically showcases death metal's growls, blastbeats, chaotic alternating rhythms of progressive metal, acoustic parts and the use of instruments not common to traditional heavy metal such as the saxophone. Amorphis (Early), Opeth, Novembre, Death, Pestilence, and Atheist are seen as Progressive death metal. This and technical death metal are closely associated, sharing many of the same bands and often overlapping, but have different emphases as descriptions.''

Time signatures; check. Mood changes; check. Growls; check. Blast beats; I'm not sure, but the article says frequently used. This would be part of the "progressive" part I believe. The rhythms; check. So I would still say progressive death metal, itself being a genre, and not simply melding "progressive" and "death metal" together. --Dayn 12:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Dayn, I like your idea of linking to 'Death_metal#Progressive_death_metal'. (Shoot, forgot to sign this.) shijeru 05:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think it would be better than including melodic death, or linking to the top of the death metal page. I'll wait for more opinions before changing (except removing melodic black metal). --Dayn 04:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, seeing as no-one else has replied... I'll change it now, and change the albums and artists pages to reflect it.

Ok I know I'm a bit late on this but I think that Opeth should not be labeled Death Metal. The only Death Metal aspect of the band is the growling vocals. If Death Metal defines their genre, so Black Metal and Death/Doom. They are much more influenced by Progressive Rock than Death Metal. The genre on the artist page is not so bad the way it is except Progressive Rock should be listed before Death Metal. However, all albums, except Damnation of course, should be listed as Progressive Metal only. --PoorOldTom February 15, 2007 19:14 (EST)


 * But what don't they satisfy under "characteristics" at death metal? They seem to fit the bill perfectly, then progressive metal and progressive rock seem to cover everything else. --Dane ~nya 02:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I think to add the label 'death metal' by itself is a bit misleading really, I mean Cannibal Corpse is also Death Metal, but the extreme moments of both bands don't sound anything alike really. I think deleting 'death metal' and 'progressive metal' and changing it back to 'Progressive Death Metal' would be better and a more accurate description of their style. -- Guest February 17,2007


 * That's what I originally put, but it was separated out; I guess genres must be listed individually. If it were to be separated though, perhaps melodic death metal? That, along with progressive metal and rock were originally here, before a spate of an anonymous user refusing to read the talk page and repeatedly replacing it with doom metal. --Dane ~nya 10:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I could go for that, I mean Melodic Death Metal still isn't really accurate but if we can't have Progressive Death Metal, then Melodic Death Metal would be a closer description than just Death Metal. --Guest 15:47 February 17, 2007 (GMT)


 * I've tweaked it to say melodic death metal. Let's see what happens in the coming days. Hopefully nothing, because progressive death metal itself is linked in the first sentence. --Dane ~nya 03:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Opeth play progressive death metal. On their first four albums, there was desfinetely some melodic death metal elements. And Damnation is progressive rock. I don't see the point of writing progressive metal since progressive death metal IS progressive metal. Anyway, I suggest : Progressive Death Metal, Melodic Death Metal and Progressive Rock. Bnm lord 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)bnm_lord


 * opeth are melodic death metal, and progressive metal. the end 24.139.30.154 04:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems someone was liberal enough to change it to simply 'Heavy Metal'...when i was last on here it was 'Extreme Progressive Metal', and most people seemed to agree with the classification..so what now? Leave as is, even though it isn't very descriptive at all Hellfreeze 05:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand this discussion. There is no use in debating this! I think NPOV solves this issue right there: "NPOV says that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a verifiable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each." As long as this debate revolves about what's "right" and "wrong" there will be no end to this. I have seen this on Tool (band) before and it sucks ass. Costs a lot of time and effort, and every once in a while some fanatic pops up and try to force his/her view on the article. So: look for sources - any, not just the ones that represent your POV - and then adapt the aricle. Johnny w  talk  07:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone therefore needs to go through a bunch of reliable sources and see what they label Opeth. I'm sure there needs to be "progressive" somewhere in the genre though. Wherever I've gone, I've seen it labeled as progressive. Tirentu 16:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I start a list, everyone is invited to add a link and the labels.
 * Some general thoughts: At Tool (band) we solved the issue by calling them plain "rock" and then adding a section describing their musical traits and genre allusions.. if defining a genre is complex, maybe there are sources mentioning this to reflect these difficulties.. Johnny w   talk  18:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * AllMusicGuide (bio):
 * "added progressive influences [..] to their brand of Swedish death metal.", "a leading force in progressive metal with death roots"


 * AllMusicGuide (Ghost Reveries):
 * "their now-trademark brand of death metal", "the album takes the band's progressive acumen to a new level"


 * Rolling Stone (Ghost Reveries):
 * "death-metallurgists"


 * Phoenix New Times Ghost Reveries Review
 * "Swedish prog-metal", "death-metal atmospherics"


 * themetalforge Ghost Reveries
 * "Swedish progressive death metal act", "Opeth’s old melodic death metal", "progressive black metal"


 * the village voice
 * "Opeth, the Sigur Ros of Scandinavian Death Meta"


 * SIMPLY Opeth are a PROGRESSIVE METAL band that incorporate influences from PROGRESSIVE ROCK, DEATH METAL (ONLY the harsh vocals, ONLY), and among other things such as AMBIENT, JAZZ, AND BLUES. - Steve.

someone just vandalized the whole page...damn Blood8815 02:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Lets be honest the intro can illicit nothing but hiliarity, i dont mean to insult the music i even have a Opeth album. But it does sound exactly like a parody of what it is trying to show! perhaps a few careful edits would do the page a world of good. TBH it did make me laugh a bit! Anubis

It seems that there's been a spate of vandalism lately, probably from the same individual. Some elitists out there seem to think it's amusing to make fun of Opeth's musical style. Lone Isle 14:35, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Unattributed claims

I've removed the line about Damnation selling 300,000 copies in Europe and 600,000 worldwide, pending confirmation of this claim, feel free to put it in again with a reference. --Lone Isle 11:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

It seems Opeth is more and more drifting away from typical Death Metal "style" into the lovely wide "genre" of music that is nearly impossible to box into some king of class. "Progressive" is a pretty widely fitting mold. --blades 18:11, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Regarding Per as a member
I'm not sure what the best way to list Per is. Even though he hasn't been in any of their albums, I'm pretty sure Mikael said that he is becoming their 5th member. Right now I'm just going to list him as an 'Unofficial member', but if anyone else has an opinion, do share it. :-P nadavspi 19:30, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, about that, where exactly are people finding this so-called "official confirmation" of Per's membership in the band? Expanding from a four-piece to a five-piece, and adding in a new instrument, is a pretty big deal, so you'd think that this would be on the main page of the site or something. --Opeth fan
 * Blabbermouth confirmation: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=36272 --

Technical Death Metal
Aren't they considered Technical Death Metal?


 * Opeth is not death metal at all, other than the growls and the slight leanings of their earlier demos + the song "Master's Apprentices." And for the record, they play too slowly to be considered tech death. Look at Cryptopsy. --Ryouga 04:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Failed FAC nomination
Self-nomination. Extensive article on a notable band in the modern metal/death metal scene. I just expanded it, and I can't think of any more information that could be added to it. Nadavspi 05:06, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Overly short, IMO. It's not a bad article, but it's not quite up there with, say, Johnny Cash, yet. Ambi 05:09, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Oppose, too short. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 20:41, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

Why did they choose this name?
Smith is a racist who supported the apartheid regime of South Africa and other racist regimes. In his book "The Sunbird" the protagonist discovers the ruins of the city of Opet in southern Africa and learns that it was founded 2000 years ago by strong, intelligent Europeans and later destroyed by primitive, savage Africans. An African educated by his European masters plays a major role in their final destruction. Opet is a symbol for Smith's view of the modern South Africa (the book was written in th 70s with the Apartheid regime still in place). He indirectly states that racist white minority rule is not only justified but necessary because (according to Smith) the inherent savagery of the black African has to be controlled. Given this background: Why the hell did they choose this name? Did they ever comment on that?

Draghkar: It is also important to note that previous members of Opeth appear from pictures not to be fully white. richarddd 05:13, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't think I've ever seen them comment on why they chose the name, except for what is already written in the article. However, most likely, they just thought it was a cool name. Mikael has responded to many claims saying that the lyrics are racist/anti-semitic, etc, saying that all he wants to do is write cool lyrics, and nothing beyond that. Interesting nonetheless, though... Nadavspi | talk 21:41, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the name "Opeth" was thought up by David Isberg. Blame him as the racist.--Rekkr 14:17, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that it doesn't imply any racism on the part of the band. First of all, Opeth had already been named when Mikael showed up. From chapter 2 of the bio: "David had formed the band together with some bums from Täby. The name was taken from a book by author Wilbur Smith, and was originally spelled Opet without the "h" at the end. The meaning was unknown for me until I quite recently found the book myself, and got the knowledge that Opeth is the city of the moon." As far as racism/antisemitism in their lyrics, I don't know for sure, but I certainly haven't found anything that gives me that idea. --Opeth fan


 * I always thought it was a bastardization of "Opiate" that sounded cool. =FaxCelestis 02:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

This is from an interview with the band:

Ultimate Metal: What does "Opeth" mean?

Mikael Åkerfeldt: Well it doesn't really mean anything its not a word or anything. It is taken from this book "The Sunbird" written by this guy called Wilbur Smith and Opeth was like a forgotten City, a City where its inhabitants committed mass suicides like in the deserts of Africa and its often referred to as the City of the Moon.

t0M0

Videography
The current version has pornography instead of videography as a section header. Normally I'd just fix it of course but since it's protected let's do things very properly and discuss the matter here first. Anybody want to argue for keeping the title pornography? --fvw *  05:06, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)


 * It's very obvious that you got trumped in the minute that you protected the article. This isn't a content dispute, just a matter of coping with vandalism. Fix it already.-gadfium 05:29, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, that's three of us, I'll take that as a quorum :-). --fvw *  05:30, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)

We don't need protection for a page like this. Petty vandalism can be reversed easily, protecting this page is counter-productive, So I vote to revert it. Lone Isle 07:41, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

gene holgan
shouldn't it say something about gene holgan's relation to the band. maybe under former mebers with an " * " next to his name

I added his name and bands he's been in under the Current Lineup where it also said Martin Axenrot was filling in for their American/European headlining tour.Ladysway1985 05:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I believe Gene Hoglan filled in for Martin L. on a previous occasion as well, which made him first choice to fill in on both the SOTU tour and on the first Opeth video.

Singles
I added this for The Drapery Falls, Still Day Beneath the Sun, and The Grand Conjuration, as they are singles and not demos(which is what they were under).Ladysway1985 03:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Unofficial forum closure
... had nothing to do with Opeth's music or Opeth as a band, so I felt it appropriate to delete that sentence regarding the closure of the unoffocial forum.. especially as there is an official forum open for discussion.

Profanity
I find it weird that there is no mention on Opeth's usage of profanity. They rarely, if ever, use profane words, which happens to be very rare for a "death metal" group. Maybe one should go about writing about their non-usage, and such? It's kind of important, and it makes the band pretty unique (even more unique than they are already). --Anonymouses 19:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Not true. Many progressive/technical death metal bands don't use profanity. The later albums of Death, Immolation, Necrophagist... I suppose though, it is noteworthy to say they don't use profanity on every album released so far. In Flames 12:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see what a band's using (or not using, in this case) has to do with the band itself. It's just splitting hairs, and the majority of people who read a band page aren't going to be reading it to see how often they drop the f-bomb. Spartacusprime 22:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Anti-religious undertones
I deleted the sentence "Anti-religious undertones are inferred on the cover of the album by the reflection of a woman's shadow in place of the reflection of a crucifix, whose shadow should be there instead", as no reference was cited. What's anti-religious about a crucifix? The storyline of Still Life is a romantic fairy-tale with very little to do with religion or anti-religion.

the logo
why can't the logo image be put in the infobox like in every other band article here? the logo is transparent and in good quality! i've put it up there twice and somebody always bring it back down! -- PASSIVE (Talk|E-Mail) 11:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed it the first time as it seems out of place to me, however it's not too big of a deal to me so when you readded it I let it be. I can't speak for whoever else reverted it though. - Blah3 12:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Black metal?! WTF?!?!?!
Opeth are not even close to being black metal, and I am going to remove that moniker unless someone objects.

Their first two albums have some major black metal influence but I wouldn't object to removing the moniker. That was 10 years ago after all.

omg sum1 fix da page its screwy!
pls pls pls, its unbareable to look at... idk how 2 fix it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.253.48.244 (talk • contribs).
 * done.. I just reverted the page back to an earlier state using the Page history. It's very simple, actually. -- Johnny w  talk  14:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

changed the unofficial forum
What was listed there as the "unofficial Opeth forum" is clearly not an active forum. I'd bet that www.opethforum.net is the largest and most active unofficial Opeth forum (although I've no way to confirm this). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Westknife (talk • contribs) 05:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

Definitely a doom metal connection
Or maybe "doom/death". I reworded the section about Opeth attracting the attention of "doom metal fans" to being influential to "doom metal bands". Their affiliation with other bands (Katatonia, October Tide, etc.) and slower songs (esp. on albums My Arms, Your Hearse, Damnation) has a doom metal-ish look to them, along with the folk, jazz, and progressive rock influence as already noted. --Danteferno 15:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I would disagree with Damnation, being progressive rock more than anything. Could you please list some songs that have a doom metal connection? I have Blackwater Park, Deliverance, Damnation, and Ghost Reveries, and can't recall any songs actually being doom metal, neither could a friend of mine. On that note, I think it would be handy to mention it within the article; but not within the genre box, because even if a few songs are doom metalish, it shouldn't be listed there. Like The Living End having a couple of songs reminiscent of metal and ska, but not listed in the genre box, because the majority is punkabilly and rock. --Dayn 04:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Simply because a band attracts a certain genre's group of fans does not mean it's music is in that genre. Opeth's music doesn't really have enough similarity to doom metal to classify the whole band as such. shijeru 14:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * So what would you suggest be put in the genre box? I personally don't mind the doom metal fan attention and influence being stated in the article, but definitely not the genre box. --Dayn 14:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Doom Metal would not be the best genre to even attempt to cover all of Opeth's genre bases. There are deffinatly some doom influences in some of their songs...but i would stick to Progressive Metal, because they really do just have their own sound. Hellfreeze 14:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The current revision seems okay to me. The only thing I'm not sure about is plain death metal; all their album pages are listed as melodic death metal (except Damnation listed as progressive rock, which I'll add soon) so I am unsure. I would be leaning towards saying they're more melodic than straight death metal, but I wanna see what others think first. --Dayn 14:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Edit: the melodic death metal article states Opeth has combined melodic death metal with progressive metal, so I'm not sure if sticking with straight death metal would conflict with the rest of wikipedia.


 * I don't know, the only thing about Opeth that really makes me think of it as death metal is the vocals. I think melodic death metal would be better than just plain death metal. Even though I don't consider it truly death metal at all they have the vocals, so that needs to be recognized and melodic death metal fits best to do that. shijeru 06:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've added it in. --Dayn 09:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Okay, there's been some debate about this, and I'd like to get everyone's opinions.

The current revision includes:
 * Melodic death metal
 * Progressive metal
 * Progressive rock

They're not a straight death metal band, but they definitely do have elements of it; but the question is, do they have elements of normal, or melodic death? The progressive metal part covers a lot of stuff, and progressive rock is one of Mikael's prominent influences, not to mention Damnation.

In my opinion, Progressive metal and progressive rock do it justice. However, it's the death metal thing. They're basically a progressive death metal band... but perhaps this revision would be good?


 * Progressive death metal (linking to Death_metal#Progressive_death_metal)
 * Progressive rock

On further reflection, I think this revision might be better. I'm trying to come up with a few genres that exemplify the majority of their songs... it's just the whole death metal thing that throws me. I reckon perhaps it should just be shortened to progressive death metal and progressive rock, which would facilitate a need to change the album pages too and associated articles. Thoughts? --Dayn 05:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Album discussion
Since there is a significant amount written about the albums, shouldn't there be a separate heading for them? The 'history' section meanders a lot and is unsightly as one massive section. Thoughts? If there are no objections, I'll take this to task soon. -- Ghostreveries 16:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No objections here. Let me know if some specific thing can be improved. --Dayn 23:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)